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Post by nica575 on Feb 3, 2013 12:53:20 GMT -5
Music is highly subjective... I get that .IMHO Trespassing has a number of very Transformative songs,including,Nirvana and especially Underneath.. to me a bit like a 'change is going to come' There are others as well like Runnin... but opinions are just that opinions,as said many times,& we all have them. I agree music is subjective and having a high quality song, which I believe Trespassing has many, doesn't, IMO, make the songs/album transformative. Transformative means it changes the direction of the artists' career, raises it up to a higher status than before. Adam isn't at a higher status than he was with FYE, if anything he's not as high up as before because IMO, BTIKM and NCOE were both higher quality singles than IIHY and WWFM yet neither received radio play. I think the one truly transformative song on Trespassing is Outlaws of Love and that is because it speaks to a generations/communities struggle with equality. It is moving, honest and thought provoking. Personally I'd rather look at Adam's career like an outsider would, rather than a fan. As a fan I want to believe he's the most amazing, splendiforuous thing to ever happen to music....however, if I look at his career from an outsider's perspective, he's done respectably well, he's moderately successful and he clearly has a lot of potential to grow and gain both in popularity and success but he's got a long way to go. As a fan I hope he gets there....but I won't cry about it if he doesn't. Stanning Adam (or any artist) should be about having fun and I can't worry or stress about the things I can't control. I agree that "he's got a long way to go" from the acceptance and popularity POV, but NOT artistically as compared to the artists that are popular, accepted and recognized. He doesn't have the "cool" factor with USA teens, and he has the AI stigma for the "masses"... from my 4 year long "education" in pop culture (I should be getting a degree now) I know that the quality of artistry means NOTHING as far as mass popularity is concerned. It is all a fad at best and manipulation backed by big money and politics at worst. However as an artist Adam is more talented, formed, polished, professional, creative than the current landscape by such a great leap that they can't even see it. Album #3 needs to become "transformative" commercially. IMO - radio ain't going to play him the same way they have not played TP. I used to "blame" the horrific singles, but in the hind sight I am convinced that songs do not matter in the least, it is all "politics". Adam is "uncomfortable" for the masses and that's not changing any time soon. RCA needs to come up with a different solution - TV would be the best - we all know that people need to see him and experience him. I am sure Adam will be performing for many years to come. Honestly, it is irrelevant to me it will be in the form of albums, or on Broadway, or in any other way - as long as I have access to his voice - I'll be happy. I am also sure that financially he will be very comfortable for the rest of his life - this (for some strange reason) is important to me as well. You know, sometimes I feel that in the world where Biebs' and Lovatos and Taylors and Perrys and Oceans are up there - it ain't so bad NOT being recognized... |
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Post by lifetraveler on Feb 3, 2013 12:53:58 GMT -5
Hi guys! I have a quick question for anyone who knows:
I am thinking of flying from London to Finland for the Helsinki concert in March. (WUT? YIKES!)
Aaanyway. I am thinking of potentially investing into the VIP tix, for the first time ever. Do you happen to know what they include?
The two options I am seeing on the ticket site are:
- VIP For Your Entertainment (163 euros)
- VIP If I Had You (213 euros)
Do you happen to know what these packages include, or how I can find out what they include?
Thanks lots!
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Post by melliemom on Feb 3, 2013 12:55:26 GMT -5
My only question is why didn't the two songs released as singles get a fair shake on radio? They are good! Maybe not the best on the album but certainly radio good. Given a chance I think they could have done quite well. I played BTIKM and NCOE for a friend at work who doesn't follow Adam but loved WWFM and she loved them both. Of course she said why arn't they on the radio? Who knows I said! It's not that we didn't request. I understand that more established artists just get play because of there body of work or popularity but Adam had a successful album with FYE. so why not continue to play him? It boggles the mind.   My mind has been boggled this last week. Our business plays Sirius The Blend, and Christina and Blake's version of Just a Fool has been playing multiple times a day. Awful. Her voice is really whiny and twangy. But I console myself, as others here do, knowing that Adam is successful and happy, and the great legends of the industry recognize him. And this is really just the beginning for him (and us). Am excited for new music, too - but every time he performs, it's really new music. We are really lucky to have so much to choose from - YouTubes, downloads, Liam's weekly radio program, etc. - I'm not complaining!!! In the music business,Adam,in a way, is still facing that lunch alone like in Jr. High..That's what kills me.. don't people ever grow up? Just sayin |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 13:00:36 GMT -5
LOL, so now people can't judge quality of a work because their preference isn't the genre? Right. So glad I'm not married to any one genre. Man, makes a critic's job VERY difficult. I'd say four stars from RS and a high 80s from Billboard are higher than a B because the incidences of five stars are very rare, you can't put it on a traditional scale. You need to go by percentile. Also, the review 5/10 stars that most impacted his metacritic score was from a random blog and full of the reviewer's preconceived notions about what Adam SHOULD be doing (rock) and the work wasn't judged on its own merits at all. In further discussion with the critic, he continually defended his bad review by comparing Adam to Elton, Freddie, Madonna and MJ and saying "Trespassing" wasn't "Thriller," so therefore it didn't rate. OIC, it isn't the same as one of the biggest albums in history, so not worthy of a decent score? And Adam wasn't ever being compared to his contemporaries but legends (as usual). His defense was rife with prejudice and ludicrous examples. One I particularly loved was when he said, "Tower of Babel falling down again" was a superficial lyric, but then trying to make a different point elsewhere Adam should have done something like "Wanna Be Startin' Something." Ookay, got it. Tower of Babel as a reference to language is lame but "You're a vegetable ... " is what he should aspire too? Mmmkay. No need to be snippy Susie B-| You seem to take all this very personally, which I don't understand to be honest. I personally don't think you can judge the quality of something if you're not particularly a fan of it because you come in with a built in bias. I can't judge Opera because I hate opera and think it's all just noise. I can't judge rap for the same reason...noise. Also, are you really comparing a fan's opinion to that of a professional critic, whose job it is to listen objectively? Do all critics listen objectively? of course not but if we're going to base quality on critic's opinions, well Frank Ocean's album has a metacritic score of 92 out of 100 so clearly the critics think it's a pretty fantastic album. You seem to have picked one particularly memorable review (for you) and decided to use that as an example of the bias used against Adam however, the same thing happens to all artists, not just Adam. He's not "picked on" more than the others, we as fans, just notice more when it happens to him because he matters more to us than other artists do. As for the lyric content, I never understood what "Tower of Babel falling down again" meant.....that reference was completely lost on me so I guess I can see where someone else might think the lyric is superficial if they didn't get what he was referring to. I try to look on the positive side of things in order to avoid unnecessary angst so perhaps the critic you're referring to thinks Adam is capable of making a "Thriller" quality album and thinks he's worthy of comparison to the greats, which should be seen as a compliment not a diss IMO. |
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Post by cheriemelissa on Feb 3, 2013 13:03:20 GMT -5
My only question is why didn't the two songs released as singles get a fair shake on radio? They are good! Maybe not the best on the album but certainly radio good. Given a chance I think they could have done quite well. I played BTIKM and NCOE for a friend at work who doesn't follow Adam but loved WWFM and she loved them both. Of course she said why arn't they on the radio? Who knows I said! It's not that we didn't request. I understand that more established artists just get play because of there body of work or popularity but Adam had a successful album with FYE. so why not continue to play him? It boggles the mind. My mind has been boggled this last week. Our business plays Sirius The Blend, and Christina and Blake's version of Just a Fool has been playing multiple times a day. Awful. Her voice is really whiny and twangy. But I console myself, as others here do, knowing that Adam is successful and happy, and the great legends of the industry recognize him. And this is really just the beginning for him (and us). Am excited for new music, too - but every time he performs, it's really new music. We are really lucky to have so much to choose from - YouTubes, downloads, Liam's weekly radio program, etc. - I'm not complaining!!! I'm not complaining either except I guess I am a little. Adam is disapointed, I know he is by the way he answered some questions a while ago. I think it was in China. Anyway, he kept being asked about a tour and he just didn't know because the album didn't do as well as he'd hoped. He worked so hard and so long on it. I love this album so much. I guess #1 on billboard doesn't mean as much as it used to!!!!!!!!!  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2013 13:05:02 GMT -5
The Grammys are a popularity contest. Frank Ocean's album was popular, Trespassing wasn't. Nothing more to say really. FWIW I thought Frank's album was good though. so when Adam's music is nominated for Grammy consideration it will be because it's popular not because it's higher quality than others who are not nominated that year..... |
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Post by cassie on Feb 3, 2013 13:08:00 GMT -5
It's a tough game. Timing, talent, promotion, random luck, random public mood swings - everything has to come together at once for massive success. Then the winds can change in the next minute and the moment has moved on. If it comes together for Adam in that way, great. If it doesn't, he will be just as talented and just as brilliant and will continue to explore music and entertainment in ways that will delight those who see and hear him. I think, at this point, he will always have enough ears listening to do the things he loves best. And not many musicians and/or artists ever get that lucky! It's early days yet. I'm excited for all that is ahead.   What she said. |
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Post by smokeyvera on Feb 3, 2013 13:10:44 GMT -5
My only question is why didn't the two songs released as singles get a fair shake on radio? They are good! Maybe not the best on the album but certainly radio good. Given a chance I think they could have done quite well. I played BTIKM and NCOE for a friend at work who doesn't follow Adam but loved WWFM and she loved them both. Of course she said why arn't they on the radio? Who knows I said! It's not that we didn't request. I understand that more established artists just get play because of their body of work or popularity but Adam had a successful album with FYE. so why not continue to play him? It boggles the mind. Because radio pd's and DJ are stupid dickheads. They think the only fans that Adam has are old matronly cougars. They think he has no young fans, which is their demographics. Therefore they will not play his songs, or they will just do it in spits and spurts and obligatory few spins to satisfy the cougars. They hate Glamberts and our voting skills. Again they think it's just a few Glamberts repeat voting, and not their demographics. So crap like Bieber, Carly Rae Jepson, etc get played because it supposedly reaches their demogrphics. WWFM was a differnt animal, he was coming off AI. I think Adam will always suffer from this, and we need to get used to it. Peeps like Katy Perry appeal to kids, tweens, teens and moms despite her age. Adam is the devil,may be too gay, too sexy too threatening for kids and tweens and teens. However, Pretty Little Liars proved us wrong in that area. He needs more radio and tv exposure to hit these demographics. |
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Post by Holst on Feb 3, 2013 13:11:47 GMT -5
Listen to Sam's comment about Adam at 2:00--"...pressure from within the music industry..." I would really like to know what goes on "inside." What pressure, from whom, etc.
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Post by cheriemelissa on Feb 3, 2013 13:12:02 GMT -5
The Grammys are a popularity contest. Frank Ocean's album was popular, Trespassing wasn't. Nothing more to say really. FWIW I thought Frank's album was good though. so when Adam's music is nominated for Grammy consideration it will be because it's popular not because it's higher quality than others who are not nominated that year..... I think it depends on which grammy your nominated for! Best pop vocal should mean just that. Best album must mean sales!  |
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