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Post by girldrummer on Oct 25, 2017 16:36:59 GMT -5
I adore that top picture on Idol where Brian and Roger look like they want to grab Adam and take him away to front Queen, lol. It is as if they cannot believe the awesomeness that stands before them. And where they hell has he been all this time? But they gave him the space to get his solo career going and knew it would be important to and for him. What an evolution it has been! A dream come true.
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Post by lurleene on Oct 25, 2017 20:03:53 GMT -5
This is so annoying to me. People pretend to be gay allies until they are not. I could not stand Clay Aiken but it always pained me to hear Kathy make him a joke because of his sexuality and not because he was an ass. I also did not appreciate the time Joan Rivers tweeted something very ugly about Adam cause she thought it would get a laugh. It was not funny. Now I understand that Kathy is angry and disappointed because Anderson did not support her during her HeWhoCannot amed crisis. But is this really an appropriate payback? Very telling. Kathy Griffin Referred To Anderson Cooper As A ‘Spineless Heiress’ www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kathy-griffin-referred-to-anderson-cooper-as-spineless-heiress_us_59f0a127e4b0e064db7e2989?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
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Post by adamrocks on Oct 25, 2017 20:57:02 GMT -5
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Post by Craazyforadam on Oct 25, 2017 23:24:43 GMT -5
This is so annoying to me. People pretend to be gay allies until they are not. I could not stand Clay Aiken but it always pained me to hear Kathy make him a joke because of his sexuality and not because he was an ass. I also did not appreciate the time Joan Rivers tweeted something very ugly about Adam cause she thought it would get a laugh. It was not funny. Now I understand that Kathy is angry and disappointed because Anderson did not support her during her HeWhoCannot amed crisis. But is this really an appropriate payback? Very telling. Kathy Griffin Referred To Anderson Cooper As A ‘Spineless Heiress’ www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kathy-griffin-referred-to-anderson-cooper-as-spineless-heiress_us_59f0a127e4b0e064db7e2989?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009Can I give a bit of a different perspective? The only thing connecting these very independent stories, is the fact that gay people are involved. Why put them together? They have nothing to do with each other. Gay people are humans like anyone else, and so they have disappointing relationships with former colleagues, betrayal, over-reaction, emotional outbursts, unfortunately statements that lead to personal hurt, political pressures from above, and tons of other human drama happening in their life, just like anyone else does. Does not mean that any of this happens because they are gay. It happens because we are humans and we act and interact, and not always does it go well. Sorting out Clay Aiken requires mental gymnastics that way exceed my writing limits or mental capacity for that matter, and I am glad to report that no moderator in their right mind would let that discussion evolve on this forum. So, we will just leave him alone in his many chapters of own mental confusion. And I'll keep my thoughts about him out of here. Anderson Cooper, who has nothing to do with Clay Aiken, did indeed either behave spineless or made it seem that way. The question is how much pressure he was under to write what he did, and how much he did it out of his own accord. I don't know that, but I sure thought that this tweet was a mean kick to the guts for Kathy. Apparently, he felt at minimum obliged to write what he did. I don't blame Kathy for perceiving it the way she did. It was disloyal and it seemed unnecessary to me as an outsider. But somewhere there is a bigger picture in all this. And that is that there is a class-one bully in town, and he wants nothing more than to seed discourse between liberals and play them out against each other. And presently this bully is winning. Nothing will be gained by Anderson and Griffin fighting. Those that put the pressure on, or started it all, love to see the mud-slinging going on. The present fighting is useless and only helps the wrong party. And no, none of this has anything to do with 'gay'. But when Adam points out that being gay is only part of him, not the whole him, then I think this is exactly what he is talking about. A specific situation arises, and the whole community is implicated, making it seem like there are constant problems with 'gays', when in reality, it is just human nature to have problems and each individual story should be looked at separately and should not reflect onto the gay community as a whole, because it has nothing to do with it. At least that is how I see this situation.
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Post by rihannsu on Oct 25, 2017 23:41:13 GMT -5
Thanks for the cakes and birthday wishes.
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Post by mszue on Oct 26, 2017 0:31:56 GMT -5
This is so annoying to me. People pretend to be gay allies until they are not. I could not stand Clay Aiken but it always pained me to hear Kathy make him a joke because of his sexuality and not because he was an ass. I also did not appreciate the time Joan Rivers tweeted something very ugly about Adam cause she thought it would get a laugh. It was not funny. Now I understand that Kathy is angry and disappointed because Anderson did not support her during her HeWhoCannot amed crisis. But is this really an appropriate payback? Very telling. Kathy Griffin Referred To Anderson Cooper As A ‘Spineless Heiress’ www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kathy-griffin-referred-to-anderson-cooper-as-spineless-heiress_us_59f0a127e4b0e064db7e2989?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009Can I give a bit of a different perspective? The only thing connecting these very independent stories, is the fact that gay people are involved. Why put them together? They have nothing to do with each other. Gay people are humans like anyone else, and so they have disappointing relationships with former colleagues, betrayal, over-reaction, emotional outbursts, unfortunately statements that lead to personal hurt, political pressures from above, and tons of other human drama happening in their life, just like anyone else does. Does not mean that any of this happens because they are gay. It happens because we are humans and we act and interact, and not always does it go well. Sorting out Clay Aiken requires mental gymnastics that way exceed my writing limits or mental capacity for that matter, and I am glad to report that no moderator in their right mind would let that discussion evolve on this forum. So, we will just leave him alone in his many chapters of own mental confusion. And I'll keep my thoughts about him out of here. Anderson Cooper, who has nothing to do with Clay Aiken, did indeed either behave spineless or made it seem that way. The question is how much pressure he was under to write what he did, and how much he did it out of his own accord. I don't know that, but I sure thought that this tweet was a mean kick to the guts for Kathy. Apparently, he felt at minimum obliged to write what he did. I don't blame Kathy for perceiving it the way she did. It was disloyal and it seemed unnecessary to me as an outsider. But somewhere there is a bigger picture in all this. And that is that there is a class-one bully in town, and he wants nothing more than to seed discourse between liberals and play them out against each other. And presently this bully is winning. Nothing will be gained by Anderson and Griffin fighting. Those that put the pressure on, or started it all, love to see the mud-slinging going on. The present fighting is useless and only helps the wrong party. And no, none of this has anything to do with 'gay'. But when Adam points out that being gay is only part of him, not the whole him, then I think this is exactly what he is talking about. A specific situation arises, and the whole community is implicated, making it seem like there are constant problems with 'gays', when in reality, it is just human nature to have problems and each individual story should be looked at separately and should not reflect onto the gay community as a whole, because it has nothing to do with it. At least that is how I see this situation. Kudos Craayforadam....thoughtful, insightful and intelligent post. Right on!
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Post by lurleene on Oct 26, 2017 3:08:37 GMT -5
This is so annoying to me. People pretend to be gay allies until they are not. I could not stand Clay Aiken but it always pained me to hear Kathy make him a joke because of his sexuality and not because he was an ass. I also did not appreciate the time Joan Rivers tweeted something very ugly about Adam cause she thought it would get a laugh. It was not funny. Now I understand that Kathy is angry and disappointed because Anderson did not support her during her HeWhoCannot amed crisis. But is this really an appropriate payback? Very telling. Kathy Griffin Referred To Anderson Cooper As A ‘Spineless Heiress’ www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kathy-griffin-referred-to-anderson-cooper-as-spineless-heiress_us_59f0a127e4b0e064db7e2989?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009Can I give a bit of a different perspective? The only thing connecting these very independent stories, is the fact that gay people are involved. Why put them together? They have nothing to do with each other. Gay people are humans like anyone else, and so they have disappointing relationships with former colleagues, betrayal, over-reaction, emotional outbursts, unfortunately statements that lead to personal hurt, political pressures from above, and tons of other human drama happening in their life, just like anyone else does. Does not mean that any of this happens because they are gay. It happens because we are humans and we act and interact, and not always does it go well. Sorting out Clay Aiken requires mental gymnastics that way exceed my writing limits or mental capacity for that matter, and I am glad to report that no moderator in their right mind would let that discussion evolve on this forum. So, we will just leave him alone in his many chapters of own mental confusion. And I'll keep my thoughts about him out of here. Anderson Cooper, who has nothing to do with Clay Aiken, did indeed either behave spineless or made it seem that way. The question is how much pressure he was under to write what he did, and how much he did it out of his own accord. I don't know that, but I sure thought that this tweet was a mean kick to the guts for Kathy. Apparently, he felt at minimum obliged to write what he did. I don't blame Kathy for perceiving it the way she did. It was disloyal and it seemed unnecessary to me as an outsider. But somewhere there is a bigger picture in all this. And that is that there is a class-one bully in town, and he wants nothing more than to seed discourse between liberals and play them out against each other. And presently this bully is winning. Nothing will be gained by Anderson and Griffin fighting. Those that put the pressure on, or started it all, love to see the mud-slinging going on. The present fighting is useless and only helps the wrong party. And no, none of this has anything to do with 'gay'. But when Adam points out that being gay is only part of him, not the whole him, then I think this is exactly what he is talking about. A specific situation arises, and the whole community is implicated, making it seem like there are constant problems with 'gays', when in reality, it is just human nature to have problems and each individual story should be looked at separately and should not reflect onto the gay community as a whole, because it has nothing to do with it. At least that is how I see this situation. But Kathy is not gay and neither was Joan. I mentioned Clay because she has used him as a gay punching bag in the past. Now she is mad at Anderson so she makes that snide remark about his sexuality. And no. This was not what Adam was talking about when he said gay is only part of him. I only mentioned Adam because I made the statement about so called gay allies, like Joan, who also tried to use Adam as a gay joke when she thought he was good for a laugh. So for the point I was making it is connected. Sorry if you did not get what I was talking about but I said it exactly the way I meant it. And I really was not addressing the issue of HeWhoCannot amed. Nor was I saying anything that reflected on the "gay community as a whole?" I was venting about the two straight women. Don't know how you got all of that out of what I said but if it is cool for you then fine. But it was not cool for me so I said so. I think she could have found another way.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 7:54:22 GMT -5
This is so annoying to me. People pretend to be gay allies until they are not. I could not stand Clay Aiken but it always pained me to hear Kathy make him a joke because of his sexuality and not because he was an ass. I also did not appreciate the time Joan Rivers tweeted something very ugly about Adam cause she thought it would get a laugh. It was not funny. Now I understand that Kathy is angry and disappointed because Anderson did not support her during her HeWhoCannot amed crisis. But is this really an appropriate payback? Very telling. Kathy Griffin Referred To Anderson Cooper As A ‘Spineless Heiress’ www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kathy-griffin-referred-to-anderson-cooper-as-spineless-heiress_us_59f0a127e4b0e064db7e2989?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009Can I give a bit of a different perspective? The only thing connecting these very independent stories, is the fact that gay people are involved. Why put them together? They have nothing to do with each other. Gay people are humans like anyone else, and so they have disappointing relationships with former colleagues, betrayal, over-reaction, emotional outbursts, unfortunately statements that lead to personal hurt, political pressures from above, and tons of other human drama happening in their life, just like anyone else does. Does not mean that any of this happens because they are gay. It happens because we are humans and we act and interact, and not always does it go well. Sorting out Clay Aiken requires mental gymnastics that way exceed my writing limits or mental capacity for that matter, and I am glad to report that no moderator in their right mind would let that discussion evolve on this forum. So, we will just leave him alone in his many chapters of own mental confusion. And I'll keep my thoughts about him out of here. Anderson Cooper, who has nothing to do with Clay Aiken, did indeed either behave spineless or made it seem that way. The question is how much pressure he was under to write what he did, and how much he did it out of his own accord. I don't know that, but I sure thought that this tweet was a mean kick to the guts for Kathy. Apparently, he felt at minimum obliged to write what he did. I don't blame Kathy for perceiving it the way she did. It was disloyal and it seemed unnecessary to me as an outsider. But somewhere there is a bigger picture in all this. And that is that there is a class-one bully in town, and he wants nothing more than to seed discourse between liberals and play them out against each other. And presently this bully is winning. Nothing will be gained by Anderson and Griffin fighting. Those that put the pressure on, or started it all, love to see the mud-slinging going on. The present fighting is useless and only helps the wrong party. And no, none of this has anything to do with 'gay'. But when Adam points out that being gay is only part of him, not the whole him, then I think this is exactly what he is talking about. A specific situation arises, and the whole community is implicated, making it seem like there are constant problems with 'gays', when in reality, it is just human nature to have problems and each individual story should be looked at separately and should not reflect onto the gay community as a whole, because it has nothing to do with it. At least that is how I see this situation. Hmmm, I thought the point lurleen was making was that Kathy called Anderson an "Heiress" and not an "Heir." That's that way I took it anyway.
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Post by Craazyforadam on Oct 27, 2017 9:33:07 GMT -5
Can I give a bit of a different perspective? The only thing connecting these very independent stories, is the fact that gay people are involved. Why put them together? They have nothing to do with each other. Gay people are humans like anyone else, and so they have disappointing relationships with former colleagues, betrayal, over-reaction, emotional outbursts, unfortunately statements that lead to personal hurt, political pressures from above, and tons of other human drama happening in their life, just like anyone else does. Does not mean that any of this happens because they are gay. It happens because we are humans and we act and interact, and not always does it go well. Sorting out Clay Aiken requires mental gymnastics that way exceed my writing limits or mental capacity for that matter, and I am glad to report that no moderator in their right mind would let that discussion evolve on this forum. So, we will just leave him alone in his many chapters of own mental confusion. And I'll keep my thoughts about him out of here. Anderson Cooper, who has nothing to do with Clay Aiken, did indeed either behave spineless or made it seem that way. The question is how much pressure he was under to write what he did, and how much he did it out of his own accord. I don't know that, but I sure thought that this tweet was a mean kick to the guts for Kathy. Apparently, he felt at minimum obliged to write what he did. I don't blame Kathy for perceiving it the way she did. It was disloyal and it seemed unnecessary to me as an outsider. But somewhere there is a bigger picture in all this. And that is that there is a class-one bully in town, and he wants nothing more than to seed discourse between liberals and play them out against each other. And presently this bully is winning. Nothing will be gained by Anderson and Griffin fighting. Those that put the pressure on, or started it all, love to see the mud-slinging going on. The present fighting is useless and only helps the wrong party. And no, none of this has anything to do with 'gay'. But when Adam points out that being gay is only part of him, not the whole him, then I think this is exactly what he is talking about. A specific situation arises, and the whole community is implicated, making it seem like there are constant problems with 'gays', when in reality, it is just human nature to have problems and each individual story should be looked at separately and should not reflect onto the gay community as a whole, because it has nothing to do with it. At least that is how I see this situation. Hmmm, I thought the point lurleen was making was that Kathy called Anderson an "Heiress" and not an "Heir." That's that way I took it anyway. So 'spineless' is valid and 'heiress' is not. It is making a topic about 'gay' when it actually has nothing to do with it. That was Kathy's part in this. Clay Aiken has nothing to do with the story. Adam has nothing to do with the story. The only connection to anything about Anderson Cooper is the orientation. Why are they brought in? Because they are also gay, or because other people have made gay-specific comments about them in the past. And that is how any story can be strung up to be about gay people, when just one participant in all of this happens to be gay, and even when that factor itself plays absolutely no role in the story. That was my point.
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