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Post by pi on Apr 30, 2019 21:54:30 GMT -5
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Post by lurleene on Apr 30, 2019 22:08:59 GMT -5
That Isle 2016 performance of WWTLF, was prob the best Recorded version since Freddie Budapest. I Think the emotional weight really made it feel different. The Amas were as high stakes as his first up Queen performance. Looking back it was the thing he ever did. The trajectory in his career would of been far different. IT really made him an international superstar over night. I mean on Idol he was grabbing his crutch in Whole Lotta Love. So really. I mean Adam did say for 3 months after idol finished. He was on the Idol Tour, and women were throwing underwear and bras on stage lol. So that was the mindset he was in. Creatively he had moved past the idol phase. And clearly at that point of time his audience, were still in that bubble. I Think if Adam learnt anything, it was to rehearse more. If we are honest, ABC and the public did not freak out because Adam was being sexy. He had done that on Idol and the Idol tour. It was the simulated gay sex act, and Kissing Tommy on national tv that caused all the ruckus. Everyone knew he was gay but he did not do that on Idol or the Idol tour. It really caught many by surprise. It may have helped him internationally but it clearly hurt him in the US, his home country and the place that he had the most fans and the most to lose. But that is in the past and he has gone on to do great things. But it has been harder for him here than it needed to be. And I do think his start had a lot to do with that. He pretty much says that himself in the documentary.
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Post by MeggyMeg on Apr 30, 2019 22:28:14 GMT -5
Disclaimer, I'm from Toronto which is as far left on the liberal scale as possible so it takes a lot for me to raise an eyebrow at anything, and what was shocking to me regarding the AMA controversy was the backlash, not the performance. It was blatant homophobia dressed up as "morality" and "but our children".
instead of calling said homophobia out, many were happy to blame the victim. That's how it appeared to me.
Anyway, I'm just happy that Adam is doing so well and has,like, the best, most coveted job in rock music, fronting Queen, in addition to all the other great things going for him.
Cream always raises to the top. 👌
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Post by cassie on Apr 30, 2019 22:34:55 GMT -5
My 93 year old dad loves music: classical, jazz, choral, big band, swing. Rock? Nope. Never heard of Queen. Or "that guy who used to sing with them". But, Dad knows of my passion for Adam, and that I have seen Queen and Adam twice in concert, with tickets for this summer. So, my dad, to support me, decided to watch the special last night. I figured he would last maybe 15 minutes? He lasted a little more than an hour before he just couldn't take any more rock music. If Dad watched it, and was impressed despite not being into the music or culture, I can only imagine the reach that special had in America. How cool is that?
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Post by nica575 on Apr 30, 2019 22:41:58 GMT -5
Disclaimer, I'm from Toronto which is as far left on the liberal scale as possible so it takes a lot for me to raise an eyebrow at anything, and what was shocking to me regarding the AMA controversy was the backlash, not the performance. It was blatant homophobia dressed up as "morality" and "but our children".
instead of calling said homophobia out, many were happy to blame the victim. That's how it appeared to me. Anyway, I'm just happy that Adam is doing so well and has,like, the best, most coveted job in rock music, fronting Queen, in addition to all the other great things going for him. Cream always raises to the top. 👌 Yup. Demagoguery was alive and well then and it is alive and well now... Even in this otherwise excellent documentary ABC still managed to blame Adam and did not apologize for their treatment of him - very disappointing...
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Post by LindaG23 on Apr 30, 2019 22:42:01 GMT -5
cassie - that is cool I just watched the whole thing again on the abc link and was reminded of another thing I really liked. They showed so very many of the wonderful costumes Adam has chosen over the years. So not only his vocal virtuosity but also his visual expression. My niece laughed out loud when he took off the big visor sunglasses and had on regular sunglasses. Can't wait for the Rhapsody tour choices
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Post by 3ku1 on Apr 30, 2019 22:51:03 GMT -5
That Isle 2016 performance of WWTLF, was prob the best Recorded version since Freddie Budapest. I Think the emotional weight really made it feel different. The Amas were as high stakes as his first up Queen performance. Looking back it was the thing he ever did. The trajectory in his career would of been far different. IT really made him an international superstar over night. I mean on Idol he was grabbing his crutch in Whole Lotta Love. So really. I mean Adam did say for 3 months after idol finished. He was on the Idol Tour, and women were throwing underwear and bras on stage lol. So that was the mindset he was in. Creatively he had moved past the idol phase. And clearly at that point of time his audience, were still in that bubble. I Think if Adam learnt anything, it was to rehearse more. If we are honest, ABC and the public did not freak out because Adam was being sexy. He had done that on Idol and the Idol tour. It was the simulated gay sex act, and Kissing Tommy on national tv that caused all the ruckus. Everyone knew he was gay but he did not do that on Idol or the Idol tour. It really caught many by surprise. It may have helped him internationally but it clearly hurt him in the US, his home country and the place that he had the most fans and the most to lose. But that is in the past and he has gone on to do great things. But it has been harder for him here than it needed to be. And I do think his start had a lot to do with that. He pretty much says that himself in the documentary. I don't think Adam ever said he regrets what he did in that era. Nor does he suggest, he would change what he did. He took hits so people like Troy Sevan, and Sam Smith would not have too. He may have lost Commerical Success in the states. But he became an international icon. In his own life performance, he sacrificed alot. But the point of it was, he was being unapolgetic, and himself. That was the point.
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Post by stampsgal on Apr 30, 2019 23:06:45 GMT -5
If we are honest, ABC and the public did not freak out because Adam was being sexy. He had done that on Idol and the Idol tour. It was the simulated gay sex act, and Kissing Tommy on national tv that caused all the ruckus. Everyone knew he was gay but he did not do that on Idol or the Idol tour. It really caught many by surprise. It may have helped him internationally but it clearly hurt him in the US, his home country and the place that he had the most fans and the most to lose. But that is in the past and he has gone on to do great things. But it has been harder for him here than it needed to be. And I do think his start had a lot to do with that. He pretty much says that himself in the documentary. I don't think Adam ever said he regrets what he did in that era. Nor does he suggest, he would change what he did. He took hits so people like Troy Sevan, and Sam Smith would not have too. He may have lost Commerical Success in the states. But he became an international icon. In his own life performance, he sacrificed alot. But the point of it was, he was being unapolgetic, and himself. That was the point. There was a double standard, and true no sorry , sorry, but he did say he has to make sure his rehearsal matches performances in the future. He did say he cried or had tears over the incident.
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Post by lurleene on Apr 30, 2019 23:18:08 GMT -5
If we are honest, ABC and the public did not freak out because Adam was being sexy. He had done that on Idol and the Idol tour. It was the simulated gay sex act, and Kissing Tommy on national tv that caused all the ruckus. Everyone knew he was gay but he did not do that on Idol or the Idol tour. It really caught many by surprise. It may have helped him internationally but it clearly hurt him in the US, his home country and the place that he had the most fans and the most to lose. But that is in the past and he has gone on to do great things. But it has been harder for him here than it needed to be. And I do think his start had a lot to do with that. He pretty much says that himself in the documentary. I don't think Adam ever said he regrets what he did in that era. Nor does he suggest, he would change what he did. He took hits so people like Troy Sevan, and Sam Smith would not have too. He may have lost Commerical Success in the states. But he became an international icon. In his own life performance, he sacrificed alot. But the point of it was, he was being unapolgetic, and himself. That was the point. I was talking about ABC and the public outcry. That backlash was not about him being sexy. it was about him being gay and acting it out some in his performance on network tv. Their reaction to him was homophobic (and some of the complaints) and not about him being too sexy. With all the press that was out there, and them taking him off tv, who didn't know what that was about? I agree, Adam did not have anything to apologize for. But he came to understand what he could not do on tv here, if he wanted a career. It does not change who he is, but he said in the documentary that he got it and they regrouped with a different presentation with WWFM. That is not an apology but a common sense recognition of what went wrong or maybe came too soon. And when that happened to him, we had never heard of Troy and Sam so who cared about making it easier for them? We just wanted Adam to survive the hits because we did not think he had done anything wrong. And yes his international success is great but it made it harder here is the states, where success was important to him also. But he moved past that and is a successful star everywhere, imo.
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Post by LindaG23 on Apr 30, 2019 23:44:23 GMT -5
Ok, who started this ...
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