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Post by theosgma on Mar 8, 2012 16:42:46 GMT -5
I will say this and then hide, I guess. But I don't understand the massive worldwide appeal of Adele - why is she selling umpteen millions of album and winning armfuls of Grammys? I mean, IMO, one can hear female voices that good in churches all around the country every Sunday. I don't get it. Is she the current SueBo? Is that it? I know she has a more commanding stage presence than SueBo. Can someone who loves her explain it to me?  LOL- No reason to duck or hide! There are tons of people who don't like Adele. Some aren't into that type of music or they dislike those types of voices. Why is Adele doing so well? IMO, it is the combination of several things that is appealing to a broad spectrum of people. The way she puts words together, especially inside the music, is a gift. People can relate to the lyrics of her songs. She sings them in a way that is emotionally raw. You can hear the pain behind her words. Adele is the opposite of the Pop Divas. She has problems with stage fright and has said she often times throws up before going on stage. She is overweight, writes most of her songs when she is drinking and she cusses like a sailor.  Adele is someone who a large number of people can relate to. Adele and SuBo shouldn't even be in the same sentence together!  SuBo records covers and has zero interpretation skills. SuBo was selling a story, Adele can actually write music and lyrics and connect on a emotional level to her songs. Thanks for this. Nicely written and now I understand as I was having a similar problem with Adele. |
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Post by JazzRocks on Mar 8, 2012 17:11:00 GMT -5
I didn't fully get Adele either until I saw her on 60 min. Her personality blew me away and strangely enough I now appreciate her music more. I guess because I know it is REAL (an overused word I know). But I can believe what she sings.
I don't think her voice is the greatest - the higher notes in SLY are cringe-inducing to me. She really strains & her voice is weak. But her lower register is wonderful. This is just another example of why a great voice isn't important in today's music. The girl singers I've loved in the past are 100X better vocally than any female in pop today. But it doesn't matter.
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Post by SusieFierce on Mar 8, 2012 19:19:26 GMT -5
I guess it's kind of customary to play premature funeral dirges or dance on BTIKM's grave here, but I did want to bring a little outside perspective. I have linked to @adamimpresses, an account that scans TweetDeck searches for mentions of Adam's talent from people who are not known and/or obvious fans (those are not RTed). My feed has been SPAMMED the past few days. (They go in waves because it's tough to keep up on.) Here are just some since last night and it's obvious that many people are hearing the song for the first time. My point is; these things take time and he's not doing this promo for his health. It's hard work an commitment and like anything, does not have instantaneous results: twitter.com/#!/search/AdamImpresses Adamimpresses @adamimpresses RT ADray5 New favourite song: Better Than I Know Myself by Adam Lambert. <3 Adamimpresses @adamimpresses RT BrandiKay Adam lambert has a new song. Nice. Adamimpresses @adamimpresses RT eBeeGBeez OMG! Adam Lambert has a new song? I love him!!! Adamimpresses @adamimpresses RT clickthehouse adam lambert's new song... ♫ Better Than I Know Myself by Adam Lambert — path.com/p/OiP46 Adamimpresses @adamimpresses KLFlannagan Sooo, Adam Lambert's new song Better Than I Know Myself is so.darn.catchy. LOVE it. #mynewjamAdamimpresses RT sayjay Adam Lambert, I love your new song. Adamimpresses RT IansCrazyFan better than i know myself by adam lambert? is it a new song? Adamimpresses RT LiinaNelago Diina_Eva's sweety have you listened to adam lambert's new song better than i know myself Adamimpresses : LeanneAmaral101 I absolutely love adam Lambert new song!!!!!! Adamimpresses: RT Mad_eline Everybody are excited for new Justin Bieber song, but I'm more excited about new Adam Lambert album ... Adamimpresses: RT heAwful_Truth i love adam lambert new song Better than i know myself #nowplaying Adamimpresses: RT gibaumgartner I didnt realize how talented/good looking adamlambert is till I saw his new MV Better Than I Know Myself. Really good song Adamimpresses: @omarday adamlambert I just heard your new song on Kidd Kraddick. It was beautiful. Reminds me why all my votes went to you Nice job Adam! Adamimpresses: RT aurenAshleighJ When will Trespassing be released? Just LOVE your new song Can't wait to hear more tracks | adamlambert Adamimpresses: RT hayemless1986 adamlambert lovvin ur new vid. Finally watched it. Love the contrast btwn both sides. Ideal vid for the song Adamimpresses: RT justaDASHaway adamlambert .... I can't get enough of your new song "Better Than I Know Myself". #GreatSong ☼ pic.twitter.com/hJ3LnDql It keeps going for pages. |
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Post by chunkeymonkey81 on Mar 8, 2012 19:31:31 GMT -5
Susiefierce--CLEARLY these peeps have no idea what they are talking about. Don't they know this song is terrible and has no hook and lousy production and isn't sing-a-long-able etc etc??
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO
Different strokes for different folks. And yes you don't have to like the song, but this shows that a lot of ppl DO and it's not a lost cause despite the pronouncements as such. Personally at this point Imma take the opiions of non stans over those who are overly invested as we are, cause we tend to angst and nit pick everything and kind of suck the fun out of it all in out epic quest to have it all go the *perfect* way (which is totally different to everyone lol)...I like them because they are fresh, honest, unfiltered opinions with no bias of agenda or expectations....they just dig the song.
I've always said it...it's a good song. The more people hear it the more will like it. I often wonder how many people in fandom who proclaim to hate the song only now hate it because it isn't doing what they want it to or expected to do by now on the charts? What if they release an uptempo song and it takes time as well....will people them say they hate it too if it doesn't perform to their expectations?
I still think we may get another single pre album drop but I also expect them to get as much as they can out of this song since it def has the potential to move pretty high in HAC even if CHR isn't hoppin on board....yet. It could still happen. Who knows...
But whatever...DOOOOOOM !!! LOLOL =b
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Post by rihannsu on Mar 8, 2012 19:41:22 GMT -5
I have a suggestion. When we are discussing songs and talking about hooks I would really appreciate hearing exactly what the hook is rather than people just saying "oh that song has a great hook". The reason I'm suggesting this is that everywhere I've been in discussions and debates people are constantly arguing back and forth about hooks and NO ONE EVER SAYS WHAT THE FUCKING HOOK IS!!!!! To be honest I've kind of tuned out of these discussions because I've seen just as many people say WWFM didn't have a hook as I've seen saying BTIKM doesn't have a hook. I for one would like to learn exactly WHAT it is that people consider a hook and if no one ever identifies what they see is the hook how is any one supposed to learn.
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Post by SusieFierce on Mar 8, 2012 19:45:18 GMT -5
ITA, Chunkey, and I think that analyzing a point repeatedly that doesn't necessarily have an answer is only going to lead to frustration and NO answers. Bottom line – the shit takes time and isn't meant to be watched every second of every day.
I've heard Kris' new song once and it was better than anything I've heard from him before, but do I think it's going to race up the charts? Bwahahaha!!! No.
Of course, I could be wrong, but I'm going to bet Kris will have same struggle as Adam, but worse. He has no hype, no star quality, little name recognition and has been gone longer than Adam and doesn't have an Emmy nomination, a sold-out world tour, the Queen pedigree, A-list collaborators, or anything else behind him. He has RCA and was an Idol winner from three seasons ago. THAT'S. IT. And ONE strong single (which hasn't sold as much as WWFM).
He could be releasing The Greatest Single That Ever Was and STILL would struggle. Because why? Because no one is going to hear it. CHR will stonewall him the way they stonewall any other artist that isn't in the Top 3% of all singers on Earth. The people they put immediately into heavy rotation have a proven track record and they number less than about 15 – in the world. And he will have NO international backup to end-around U.S. radio.
If it's deemed "a good song" by the capricious and mysterious radio gods, and HAC PDs get behind it, maybe it will start getting play, probably not much faster than BTIKM has, IMO.
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Post by chunkeymonkey81 on Mar 8, 2012 19:53:11 GMT -5
I have a suggestion. When we are discussing songs and talking about hooks I would really appreciate hearing exactly what the hook is rather than people just saying "oh that song has a great hook". The reason I'm suggesting this is that everywhere I've been in discussions and debates people are constantly arguing back and forth about hooks and NO ONE EVER SAYS WHAT THE FUCKING HOOK IS!!!!! To be honest I've kind of tuned out of these discussions because I've seen just as many people say WWFM didn't have a hook as I've seen saying BTIKM doesn't have a hook. I for one would like to learn exactly WHAT it is that people consider a hook and if no one ever identifies what they see is the hook how is any one supposed to learn. It's basically the part of the song that gets stuck in your head for lack of a better explanation. But since everyone is different not everyone hears a hook the way others do it seems. For me BTIKM is WAAY more hookier than WWFM is. I dunno but for me the hook is the chorus starting at the "if i wanted to go I woulda gone by now..." But some it isn't as catchy to them so they don't hear a hook. IDK it's very subjective it seems.. |
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Post by crazyoldgal on Mar 8, 2012 19:59:33 GMT -5
Susie... I love looking @adamimpressess..etc.
My problem right now is that people are slow to purchase this single...maybe it will pick up but unless next week we have a super week of stations spinning this single, and once promo is done, who the hell is hearing it???
stations that Adam has visited for promo, I see little plays which frustrates the hell out of me. Is it stronger NO but I thinks its better than a lot in which I hear right now
Heavens sake Q102 just f n played the rap shit by winner Chris rene his "young Homie" you call that singing????? and they can't play BTiKM at least once a day? I give up.
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Post by Guest on Mar 8, 2012 20:02:00 GMT -5
Susiefierce--CLEARLY these peeps have no idea what they are talking about. Don't they know this song is terrible and has no hook and lousy production and isn't sing-a-long-able etc etc?? LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO Different strokes for different folks. And yes you don't have to like the song, but this shows that a lot of ppl DO and it's not a lost cause despite the pronouncements as such. Personally at this point Imma take the opiions of non stans over those who are overly invested as we are, cause we tend to angst and nit pick everything and kind of suck the fun out of it all in out epic quest to have it all go the *perfect* way (which is totally different to everyone lol)...I like them because they are fresh, honest, unfiltered opinions with no bias of agenda or expectations....they just dig the song. I've always said it...it's a good song. The more people hear it the more will like it. I often wonder how many people in fandom who proclaim to hate the song only now hate it because it isn't doing what they want it to or expected to do by now on the charts? What if they release an uptempo song and it takes time as well....will people them say they hate it too if it doesn't perform to their expectations?
I still think we may get another single pre album drop but I also expect them to get as much as they can out of this song since it def has the potential to move pretty high in HAC even if CHR isn't hoppin on board....yet. It could still happen. Who knows... But whatever...DOOOOOOM !!! LOLOL =b (crosses fingers this post doesn't get deleted) Yes, this is what I wonder too. I just find it ~interesting that some of the people who said that BTIKM was catchy, a great song, said that they love it, are now saying that it's a bad song, with no hook, etc., I just think that in some instances, some parts of fandom are like a hivemind. Just following what the loudest segments of fandom are saying. |
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Post by Guest on Mar 8, 2012 20:08:14 GMT -5
I have a suggestion. When we are discussing songs and talking about hooks I would really appreciate hearing exactly what the hook is rather than people just saying "oh that song has a great hook". The reason I'm suggesting this is that everywhere I've been in discussions and debates people are constantly arguing back and forth about hooks and NO ONE EVER SAYS WHAT THE FUCKING HOOK IS!!!!! To be honest I've kind of tuned out of these discussions because I've seen just as many people say WWFM didn't have a hook as I've seen saying BTIKM doesn't have a hook. I for one would like to learn exactly WHAT it is that people consider a hook and if no one ever identifies what they see is the hook how is any one supposed to learn. It's basically the part of the song that gets stuck in your head for lack of a better explanation. But since everyone is different not everyone hears a hook the way others do it seems. For me BTIKM is WAAY more hookier than WWFM is. I dunno but for me the hook is the chorus starting at the "if i wanted to go I woulda gone by now..." But some it isn't as catchy to them so they don't hear a hook. IDK it's very subjective it seems.. Yes, it is subjective I guess. For me BTIKM has a much better hook then WWFM as well. I mean even after listening to WWFM 100's of time, (mainly acoustic, and it's probably due to Adam constantly changing it up, but whatevs) I STILL can't hum the song, and don't know the lyrics to the whole song. |
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Post by JazzRocks on Mar 8, 2012 20:10:39 GMT -5
I have a suggestion. When we are discussing songs and talking about hooks I would really appreciate hearing exactly what the hook is rather than people just saying "oh that song has a great hook". The reason I'm suggesting this is that everywhere I've been in discussions and debates people are constantly arguing back and forth about hooks and NO ONE EVER SAYS WHAT THE FUCKING HOOK IS!!!!! To be honest I've kind of tuned out of these discussions because I've seen just as many people say WWFM didn't have a hook as I've seen saying BTIKM doesn't have a hook. I for one would like to learn exactly WHAT it is that people consider a hook and if no one ever identifies what they see is the hook how is any one supposed to learn. LOL I love that - NO ONE EVER SAYS WHAT THE FUCKING HOOK IS!!!!! As chunky said another word would be catchy & it's usually the chorus. I think BTIKM's chorus is very catchy/hooky. The ONLY thing I don't like about the song is the wimpy beginning. It just doesn't immediately grab you. But I'm repeating myself. Susie made excellent points. I've seen all those Adamimpresses tweets too and I love seeing them. There are people out there that love the song that are not fans. Yet. We just have to get the PD's on board so more people can hear it. If there is any ingesting to be done it's probably better to do it here than in the News thread doncha think? ANGSTING not ingesting. Damn iPad autocorrect! |
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Post by nica575 on Mar 8, 2012 20:25:35 GMT -5
Susie... My problem right now is that people are slow to purchase this single...maybe it will pick up but unless next week we have a super week of stations spinning this single, and once promo is done, who the hell is hearing it??? stations that Adam has visited for promo, I see little plays which frustrates the hell out of me. Is it stronger NO but I thinks its better than a lot in which I hear right now Heavens sake Q102 just f n played the rap shit by winner Chris rene his "young Homie" you call that singing????? and they can't play BTiKM at least once a day? I give up. .... people are not buying...IDK why...I have no idea what gets people to buy or not to buy... I feel that BTIKM is not a song you want to listen over and over to...at least I don't (the truth is - this is the first Adam song ever that I did not bother loading onto my i-pod, despite buying several copies...) I just don't enjoy it... finally listened to the Bruno song demo.... it sounds the same as BTIKM to me... same sound, no hook ... WHAT"S WRONG WITH GOING WITH TRESSPASSING? talking about a "hook" - that song is one HUUUGE hook! ... angst is not even the word I would use - I feel total desparation... :-[  I do hope that we are wrong about NCOE as a single... i really do...  |
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Post by rabbitrabbit on Mar 8, 2012 20:30:16 GMT -5
It's basically the part of the song that gets stuck in your head for lack of a better explanation. But since everyone is different not everyone hears a hook the way others do it seems. For me BTIKM is WAAY more hookier than WWFM is. I dunno but for me the hook is the chorus starting at the "if i wanted to go I woulda gone by now..." But some it isn't as catchy to them so they don't hear a hook. IDK it's very subjective it seems.. Yes, it is subjective I guess. For me BTIKM has a much better hook then WWFM as well. I mean even after listening to WWFM 100's of time, (mainly acoustic, and it's probably due to Adam constantly changing it up, but whatevs) I STILL can't hum the song, and don't know the lyrics to the whole song. IA on the subjective part with pretty much everything being discussed here. The only thing NOT subjective will be the ultimate sales and airplay high-water mark of the song, after it eventually stops charting and we have little idea of when or what that will be. There are patterns in what makes a pop hit, and there are songs that break each of those patterns and become hits. There are 'no names' with Top 40 songs charting well, and their are superstars whose last singles didn't climb as high as expected. For me, subjectively, the BTIKM hook is 'if I wanted to go, I would have gone by now, but I really need you near me, to keep my mind off the edgeee'. I think Adam's radio promo is absolutely building goodwill for this era, and will 'pay forward' to whatever other singles come along. But again they will have to connect with listeners on their own merits, and will follow their own path, whatever it might end up being. |
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Post by chunkeymonkey81 on Mar 8, 2012 20:32:41 GMT -5
Susie... My problem right now is that people are slow to purchase this single...maybe it will pick up but unless next week we have a super week of stations spinning this single, and once promo is done, who the hell is hearing it??? stations that Adam has visited for promo, I see little plays which frustrates the hell out of me. Is it stronger NO but I thinks its better than a lot in which I hear right now Heavens sake Q102 just f n played the rap shit by winner Chris rene his "young Homie" you call that singing????? and they can't play BTiKM at least once a day? I give up. .... people are not buying...IDK why...I have no idea what gets people to buy or not to buy... I feel that BTIKM is not a song you want to listen over and over to...at least I don't (the truth is - this is the first Adam song ever that I did not bother loading onto my i-pod, despite buying several copies...) I just don't enjoy it... finally listened to the Bruno song demo.... it sounds the same as BTIKM to me... same sound, no hook ... WHAT"S WRONG WITH GOING WITH TRESSPASSING? talking about a "hook" - that song is one HUUUGE hook! ... angst is not even the word I would use - I feel total desparation... :-[ I do hope that we are wrong about NCOE as a single... i really do... Well no one has even really heard the REAL album version of Trespassing and Adam says the album version is very different from the acoustic version so how can anyone even accurately judge it yet? And imo the acoustic version is cute but def doesn't sound top 40 pop-ish, but the album version could be (and I am expecting it to be) amazeballs... Another reason I think ppl should wait to hear the actual finished products before they pronounce what they think would be the perfect single. NCOE will be perfect! No it will suck! I want Cuckoo! No I want Trespassing!!! Blah blah....we don't even know what they will truly even sound like...what if we hear them and you don't even LIKE them that much? LOL At this point we are going off our imaginations and the hype of the reviewers and our own hopes...so stating so and so would be the better/perfect single makes no sense since we have no friggin clue if they would be since no one in fandom has even heard them. Just a little perspective. |
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Post by JazzRocks on Mar 8, 2012 20:40:21 GMT -5
I don't think many have said they hate or even dislike BTIKM. I think we're just trying to figure out WHY it's languishing. Nothing wrong with that IMO.
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