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Post by marie23 on Jul 16, 2011 22:06:18 GMT -5
Lol, I don't think this was the intention  Haha!! And I don't know that the songs are any worse than other pop songs. I'm trying to imagine having TikTok presented to me in a demo. Listening to "Light Falls Away" rn. It sounds NOTHING like him. it's intriguing, but kind of trippy. Wow, he can do anything. Maybe not worse than other pop songs, but, yeah I'd admit that they are really boring. I only remember listening to Want when it first was up in 2009, and yeah, since he wasn't able to add his own touches to it, the result was not as interesting as it could have been. |
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Post by SusieFierce on Jul 16, 2011 22:07:26 GMT -5
When someone gives him the album to autograph, it's implying an endorsement. He is NOT endorsing. We get that. I don't blame him a bit. But this is like looking at an artist's early sketches or abandoned, unfinished works. You know they are not representative, but they give insight into the evolution of the artist. For someone to profit off of his growing pains is not right, but as insight into his ultimate talent, I am listening in the same way I listen to Upright Cafe, CWMBTM and HOTM – It is not what he wants to do professionally and creatively, but it is background for what he is capable of. I would not give one penny to HiFi, but hearing what he does vocally with these tracks is impressive. But.... when we look at the Upright Cafe videos, or even something as far back as graduation, those ARE Adam's interpretation, vision, and choice at that time. As opposed to the bastard album, where he was not allowed to sound like himself or interpret a song the way he wanted, or even phrase the song in a musical way. Using your analogy to an artist's drafts of early work, I think it would be more accurate to say that the bastard album is the equivalent to a young artist getting a job painting those horrid "artworks" sold en masse at a special showing at a local hotel. Generic, formulaic, often done by several artists: you paint three pine trees in the background with these colors, you paint the grass in the meadow so it looks like this, and I will add the deer as copied from Disney's Bambi. Voila! An original, handpainted masterpiece. Not saying "Don't listen." As I just posted, it is very interesting from a technical point of view. How different he sounds there than on the theater stage, on his album, or live in concert. How he can change his voice so much. Other examples of this ability include My Conviction, and Crazy at Upright Cafe when he sings like the men's gay chorus. Check out starting at about 2:20. Whoa!!! What??? Cassie, I always have tremendous respect for your opinion, but you make a tremendous leap here. Every artist's first training is reproduction. They train by studying the greats and understanding the medium. Then they challenge themselves by doing things outside their realm. Are you saying any instrumentalist that is asked to duplicate another composer's music or asked to play outside their genre is not stretching their wings? Is not learning? Sorry, but I don't agree with that at all. He did a job. A job that challenged his previous skill set. Welcome to the real world. The vast majority of us do that. I'm sure he learned a lot by forcing himself to do things outside of his comfort zone. That knowledge, IMO, is probably invaluable to his growth as an artist. |
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Post by marie23 on Jul 16, 2011 22:14:07 GMT -5
Haha!! And I don't know that the songs are any worse than other pop songs. I'm trying to imagine having TikTok presented to me in a demo. Listening to "Light Falls Away" rn. It sounds NOTHING like him. it's intriguing, but kind of trippy. Wow, he can do anything. OMG!! He sounds almost.....gulp....Country on this. YES!! Kind of traditional country. I think. |
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Post by nica575 on Jul 16, 2011 22:14:09 GMT -5
More of the Japanese INROCK magazine interview, as translated by terraj: terra_zepheadTerra ƒeƒ‰ I've not yet translated the last part of INROCK i/w but I've posted the 2nd (best part) terraj.livejournal.comI love this interview SO much!!! the interview is getting better and better! they really got Adam talking about the album in some substantial detail! ....between the twitter party and this interview - we are having a great "news" day! and Liam's AL hour as cherry on top  |
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Post by adamme on Jul 16, 2011 22:14:58 GMT -5
More of the Japanese INROCK magazine interview, as translated by terraj: terra_zepheadTerra ƒeƒ‰ I've not yet translated the last part of INROCK i/w but I've posted the 2nd (best part) terraj.livejournal.comI love this interview SO much!!! Ohh.. good thing I decided to get back to sit in front of computer and come here.. ;D.. I was thinking when is tomorrow according to Terra.. couldn't wait for the 2nd part.. thanks noangel .. ;D |
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Post by marie23 on Jul 16, 2011 22:18:24 GMT -5
With all the new information about the album in the twitter party and this interview, is anyone feeling about nervous, or scarily excited?
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Post by cassie on Jul 16, 2011 22:20:08 GMT -5
But.... when we look at the Upright Cafe videos, or even something as far back as graduation, those ARE Adam's interpretation, vision, and choice at that time. As opposed to the bastard album, where he was not allowed to sound like himself or interpret a song the way he wanted, or even phrase the song in a musical way. Using your analogy to an artist's drafts of early work, I think it would be more accurate to say that the bastard album is the equivalent to a young artist getting a job painting those horrid "artworks" sold en masse at a special showing at a local hotel. Generic, formulaic, often done by several artists: you paint three pine trees in the background with these colors, you paint the grass in the meadow so it looks like this, and I will add the deer as copied from Disney's Bambi. Voila! An original, handpainted masterpiece. Not saying "Don't listen." As I just posted, it is very interesting from a technical point of view. How different he sounds there than on the theater stage, on his album, or live in concert. How he can change his voice so much. Other examples of this ability include My Conviction, and Crazy at Upright Cafe when he sings like the men's gay chorus. Check out starting at about 2:20. Whoa!!! What??? Cassie, I always have tremendous respect for your opinion, but you make a tremendous leap here. Every artist's first training is reproduction. They train by studying the greats and understanding the medium. Then they challenge themselves by doing things outside their realm. Are you saying any instrumentalist that is asked to duplicate another composer's music or asked to play outside their genre is not stretching their wings? Is not learning? Sorry, but I don't agree with that at all. He did a job. A job that challenged his previous skill set. Welcome to the real world. The vast majority of us do that. I'm sure he learned a lot by forcing himself to do things outside of his comfort zone. That knowledge, IMO, is probably invaluable to his growth as an artist. Whoa right back atcha. I guess I was not at all clear in my point. I happen to agree with you completely about artists learning by copying or imitating the art of others. And by stretching to perform/create outside of their comfort zones and preferred genres. Adam has said that he first learned to sing by imitating other artists he liked. Let me try again. The songs on the bastard album are interesting examples of Adam's ability in many ways. And we know he uses that ability and technique to wow us with the music he is making now. My only point was that this was not an example of what Adam wanted to sing, or how he might have interpreted it if he had been free to do so. Tho' the songs ain't much from a composition standpoint, I think if Adam was asked to perform them and given free reign, they would have sounded much more interesting. Much more musical. Would have had a greater emotional impact. IMO, YMMV. |
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Post by lynne on Jul 16, 2011 22:26:20 GMT -5
Gaga just keeps taking her brand new ideas from others old ideas.. She's a bit of a fraud IMHO. THat's too bad because I think she's an enormous talent who should look inward to her own core,to her own creativity. She doesn't need to flatter others through imitation. Just seems like she hit a wall ,like a writer's dry spell.Gaga probably needs to take a break,relax and let those creative juices flow again. It would be hard to have to keep up that level of show and energy and expectation 24/7. It makes me exhausted just thinking of it. I know in good years, as a teacher, as school comes to a close and final writing portfolios and exams and student evaluations come in, and good feelings abound and special moments occur, I sometimes think, "How am I ever going to make that happen again?" But I have a summer to incubate new ideas, and, as Adam said, to prepare and create and love, to fill myself back up after 180 days of performances in front of audiences that can be tough, LOL. I am so glad that Adam does take time away from us all for his private life, so he can fill back up, incubate and create, and then be ready to give it all back in force when the new phase begins. This is Adam's summer. I'm glad each day during it he has some time to love and to be loved by all those that are significant to him. That will keep him grounded, help him deal with the stress he mentions in the Japanese article, and replenish his inner resources after such a long tour. No wonder he looks happy, healthy and glowing! The summer phase is such a good time; a time to enjoy the fun of preparing and creating new material, of building on what worked well before, the calm months when your focus is only on gathering good ideas, getting excited about them, and creating things you think will really work before you hit the proverbial classroom, when no matter what, your success also becomes about the students, the audience, and how they react to your material and technique, when everything is not entirely in your control, yet you have to take control and play it all out in the very best way, believing in your material and in your skills and that the magic will happen. Adam knows he was born to entertain, but he also seems to know the value of not only existing in that world. He needs to love and be loved in both worlds, in the lights and outside of them, and he seems to be pretty good at keeping it all real. |
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Post by SusieFierce on Jul 16, 2011 22:29:15 GMT -5
Whoa!!! What??? Cassie, I always have tremendous respect for your opinion, but you make a tremendous leap here. Every artist's first training is reproduction. They train by studying the greats and understanding the medium. Then they challenge themselves by doing things outside their realm. Are you saying any instrumentalist that is asked to duplicate another composer's music or asked to play outside their genre is not stretching their wings? Is not learning? Sorry, but I don't agree with that at all. He did a job. A job that challenged his previous skill set. Welcome to the real world. The vast majority of us do that. I'm sure he learned a lot by forcing himself to do things outside of his comfort zone. That knowledge, IMO, is probably invaluable to his growth as an artist. Whoa right back atcha. I guess I was not at all clear in my point. I happen to agree with you completely about artists learning by copying or imitating the art of others. And by stretching to perform/create outside of their comfort zones and preferred genres. Adam has said that he first learned to sing by imitating other artists he liked. Let me try again. The songs on the bastard album are interesting examples of Adam's ability in many ways. And we know he uses that ability and technique to wow us with the music he is making now. My only point was that this was not an example of what Adam wanted to sing, or how he might have interpreted it if he had been free to do so. Tho' the songs ain't much from a composition standpoint, I think if Adam was asked to perform them and given free reign, they would have sounded much more interesting. Much more musical. Would have had a greater emotional impact. IMO, YMMV. I totally agree with you there. But as someone who is experiencing these interpretations for the first time, I think of them as an actor taking on a role. Which any true musician is equivalent to. I don't judge the material so much (unless it's totally hindering the performer), but I have to admit, this material is not nearly as bad as I was anticipating. Actually, there is tremendous depth and emotion in some of the songs. Adam's interpretation, to me, is equivalent to an actor playing a role as envisioned by a director. Actors don't get free reign in their interpretation, but it doesn't make their art any less relevant. In actuality, it is even more of a challenge. He embodies the role given to him and I am very impressed by the job he does and I'm surprised that the songs are not bad at all for demos. |
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Post by mariep on Jul 16, 2011 22:30:20 GMT -5
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Susie I don't know if you realize how strong this statement is, at least to me. I believe doing those demos taught Adam a tremdous amount. In a way I think it may have taught him more about controlling his voice than interpretation could. Think about what he had to do to restrain and not put his all out there!
Another thing to think about is the effect of doing something out of your comfort zone, as you mention. For someone as strong vocally as Adam, I would imagine this was harder for him than an average singer. I believe this must have sent his drive and ambition to become more through the roof! He is passionate and wants to excel. This must have been a driving force to help get him where he is.
So as you say, that knowledge is invaluable for sure!
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