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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 23:02:35 GMT -5
If NCOE goes no where, I wouldn't count on a 3rd single, nica. Not in the US anyway. :-/
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Post by Craazyforadam on Jun 19, 2012 23:03:47 GMT -5
Couple of not so bright thoughts (yes this will be a dark post, so be fore-warned and it is a bit risky, so not bright in either sense of the word). But I believe it needs to be said. And of course all of this is my humble opinion only:
What I see happening right now in radio is a pre-election purging. That is, radio stations need to set themselves up as neutral enough that both Republicans and Democrats are willing to advertise at the station come late summer and fall.
I don't think you will find Adam on any radio station in conservative territory like Texas or battleground-states like Florida quite soon. I believe that PDs have to follow the money and NCOE is an easy sacrifice from their standpoint, and they won't care about 10-20K Glamberts along the way. The only question is, can Adam reach that next level before he is out, and that is why I am voting as best I can and ask everybody else to do the same.
After that, I believe he has on many radio stations no chance in hell for a while, like until November to be exact.
This explains also why all of a sudden we have this British invasion going on. They are neutral and non-threatening in that regard.
Except if somebody would let the public in on the basic fact that 1D is about as gay as the village people were, then they would be off the air too, but clearly nobody dares to do that or allows that to happen to the 100 million dollar machine right now and so the fabricated story will continue. Perhaps by the 2020 election one of them will have come out or something, certainly not this one.
Marx got one thing right when he said that people want to be lied to. They sure do.
Imo, RCA's best bet with Trespassing is to take a hiatus, try to place some of Adam's songs in movies, video games, ring-tones, get him a few TV spots here and there and focus strictly on international promotion during the fall. Then for X-mas season produce some re-packaged edition of Trespassing with a third single roll-out at that time. I believe that rolling out a new single for Adam now or in early fall would just mean sacrificing the song and a waste of money.
Sorry, I told you it would not be a bright post!
Now the only bright spot I see is that I think it is not as simple as direct homophobia by the PDs and the business world behind ads. Rather it is a political issue and gay rights issues happen to be at the forefront of this election and therefore for Adam this is indirectly a discrimination. But once the election is over these constraints will fall away and room will be made for own US artists again, Adam included.
I guess, this then addresses also the earlier question why the situation with WWFM and IIHY was different - different times compared to now.
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Post by Jablea on Jun 19, 2012 23:26:16 GMT -5
Hmmmmm.... Nope I don't think it's the election cycle, those ads should be targeted to audiences and advertising to a neutral audience is blah. Much better to stimulate those already in your corner to get out and vote. Plus right now he's being played in the reddest states in the nation, Idaho and Utah. That doesn't address why some stations won't add him.
I'm coming down on the "it's the song" side. The two so far do not have any grab power. NCOE might "fit" but it doesn't "connect". They aren't the songs that got Adam's friends dancing in the bus either.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 23:38:43 GMT -5
Hmmmmm.... Nope I don't think it's the election cycle, those ads should be targeted to audiences and advertising to a neutral audience is blah. Much better to stimulate those already in your corner to get out and vote. Plus right now he's being played in the reddest states in the nation, Idaho and Utah. That doesn't address why some stations won't add him. I'm coming down on the "it's the song" side. The two so far do not have any grab power. NCOE might "fit" but it doesn't "connect". They aren't the songs that got Adam's friends dancing in the bus either.
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Post by nikki on Jun 20, 2012 1:00:37 GMT -5
Hmmmmm.... Nope I don't think it's the election cycle, those ads should be targeted to audiences and advertising to a neutral audience is blah. Much better to stimulate those already in your corner to get out and vote. Plus right now he's being played in the reddest states in the nation, Idaho and Utah. That doesn't address why some stations won't add him. I'm coming down on the "it's the song" side. The two so far do not have any grab power. NCOE might "fit" but it doesn't "connect". They aren't the songs that got Adam's friends dancing in the bus either. ^^^^^ This. There is definitely an element about song selection and promotion strategies. In Australia, with an entirely different social and political landscape to the US, not many casual Adam fans that I talk to even know that Trespassing has been released. Radio has ignored both singles. I have not heard them played on any station I listen to, that are still playing WWFM and IIHY regularly. FYE cycle, radio here was very willing to play his songs on their merits. Trespassing entered the charts and peaked at No.9, disappearing a couple of weeks later - there was very little to back up the release, his hard core fans bought the album and he had no way of picking up new ones. Adam was very clear at the start that he would not be touring immediately because he wanted to "fully support" the promotion of his singles, and his management has said that their strategy is focussed on using Adam himself - getting him in front of as many people as possible. There is only one of him, and he is very focussed on breaking the UK market. I think the delay of the release of Trespassing was a conscious timing, in part, closer to the UK release date for that very reason - so he could get the No.1 spot in the US, which would give him a natural momentum, credibility and headlines into the UK market, which is exactly what has happened. If this is reasonable speculation, then it seems that in this era they may be trying to follow a path of least resistance across the globe. It was very lucrative last time. From the numbers I have seen, his international sales (without any UK success) were roughly equal to what he sold in the States, album wise, if I remember correctly. If he can get those numbers without too much bother, why wouldn't he. Adam's mentioned that he'll be coming to Australia in a few months time to push things along no doubt. Last time, his notoriety from the AMAs, together with a promotional visit and songs that "connected" were all that it took to get things moving here and spectacularly in New Zealand.
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Post by lynne on Jun 20, 2012 2:06:18 GMT -5
Nikki - interesting perspective, some very good points!
I remember last era singles were released in some parts of Europe even when they were not released in the U.S, like Sleepwalker. I wonder if this will be the case again internationally in places where trespassing does well. if so, I wonder what single would be served up next?
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Post by tigerlily on Jun 20, 2012 2:15:51 GMT -5
Except if somebody would let the public in on the basic fact that 1D is about as gay as the village people were, then they would be off the air too, but clearly nobody dares to do that or allows that to happen to the 100 million dollar machine right now and so the fabricated story will continue. Perhaps by the 2020 election one of them will have come out or something, certainly not this one. Don't all five of these young men self-identify as straight? I could care less if they are straight, gay or somewhere in between- but why is it okay to state that five guys are gay when they have all said otherwise? 1D was on a very popular reality singing competition in the UK. Information and pictures would have been found on the internet (just like it was with Adam) if all five of these guys were gay.
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Post by swarm on Jun 20, 2012 2:28:46 GMT -5
To indulge in this discussion just a little since you asked me certain questions. Well I do not think bisexual counts since everyone from Katy, Kesha and Gaga who are straight girls and have said they they have neve fallen in love with someone of the same sex and these are the so called bisexuals. The only person that remotedly counts Jessie J who happnes to be a lady. The type of fay the male radio lords shit in their pants for and are seen not to be theatening. Wasn't a famale/female kiss shown and cheered on national tv whole the m/m one caused so much ripples? To address your specific issues surrounding the sexuality discussion: No Jessie J doesn't count. First, there is no ick factor with women, especially random self identified bisexuals or even Gaga with her faux bi narrative. Female bisexuality is a turn on for men. Furthermore, bisexuality (especially female) is a hotly debated topic in the LGBT community, albeit inconsequential to the mainstream pop music listener far removed from anything to do with it. She was a pop star in the UK before she identified as bi. In fact she already charted here with her first US #23 before then with Price Tag ftr BOB. Domino, her second single to chart here, charted just months after her huge "coming out" announcement which was on some British radio interview last year. She had very little press here until lately on the topic. The kiss between Madonna and Britney was accepted, in fact celebrated, by the media and nobody was blackballed from tv like Lambert. In fact after the AMAs The Early Show had the shot of the girls on screen next to the shot of his AMA kiss and CENSORED HIS KISS AND NOT THEIRS. He made the point right there and then and continued to use that as an example of double standards. Jessie J is a nobody in this context and frankly most other contexts until lately. Hardly compares to Lambert's AMA crotch dive burned into the conscious of America, and the inescapable discussion of his sexuality about 5000 times before and after. Here's a non-rambling clarification: Adam Lambert is the first well known singer who was openly gay since the beginning of his career. All other gay men who came out after becoming famous failed to reach #1 on Billboard 200 again. Even Elton John notes this interesting fact. It'll be interesting to see how she does now that Out and other media have recently glommed onto her sexuality. The more the merrier. Misery loves company lol. This is not to say your points of Idol fatigue, oversaturation and the 1.5 year lapse combined with the "youth invasion" on pop are invalid, imo. It is true, however, that anything you spin over and over becomes popular, at least enough to reach top 15 or 20. Adele was considered a flop here until her SNL appearance with Sarah Palin, with the highest viewership in like, 17 years. The more confusing question is how can all of Trespassing's cowriters create hundreds of hits for everyone not named Adam Lambert, including 4-6 hits on Cali Gurl....but when writing for him, completely loose their skills and industry expertise? Google niggas gay Adam Lambert. It's a lyric in a rap song. When niggas gay Jessie J shows up...oh wait. that would actually be a better rhyme.
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Post by gbam on Jun 20, 2012 3:00:21 GMT -5
To address your specific issues surrounding the sexuality discussion: No Jessie J doesn't count. First, there is no ick factor with women, especially random self identified bisexuals or even Gaga with her faux bi narrative. Female bisexuality is a turn on for men. Furthermore, bisexuality (especially female) is a hotly debated topic in the LGBT community, albeit inconsequential to the mainstream pop music listener far removed from anything to do with it. She was a pop star in the UK before she identified as bi. In fact she already charted here with her first US #23 before then with Price Tag ftr BOB. Domino, her second single to chart here, charted just months after her huge "coming out" announcement which was on some British radio interview last year. She had very little press here until lately on the topic. The kiss between Madonna and Britney was accepted, in fact celebrated, by the media and nobody was blackballed from tv like Lambert. In fact after the AMAs The Early Show had the shot of the girls on screen next to the shot of his AMA kiss and CENSORED HIS KISS AND NOT THEIRS. He made the point right there and then and continued to use that as an example of double standards. Jessie J is a nobody in this context and frankly most other contexts until lately. Hardly compares to Lambert's AMA crotch dive burned into the conscious of America, and the inescapable discussion of his sexuality about 5000 times before and after. Here's a non-rambling clarification: Adam Lambert is the first well known singer who was openly gay since the beginning of his career. All other gay men who came out after becoming famous failed to reach #1 on Billboard 200 again. Even Elton John notes this interesting fact. It'll be interesting to see how she does now that Out and other media have recently glommed onto her sexuality. The more the merrier. Misery loves company lol. This is not to say your points of Idol fatigue, oversaturation and the 1.5 year lapse combined with the "youth invasion" on pop are invalid, imo. It is true, however, that anything you spin over and over becomes popular, at least enough to reach top 15 or 20. Adele was considered a flop here until her SNL appearance with Sarah Palin, with the highest viewership in like, 17 years. The more confusing question is how can all of Trespassing's cowriters create hundreds of hits for everyone not named Adam Lambert, including 4-6 hits on Cali Gurl....but when writing for him, completely loose their skills and industry expertise? Google niggas gay Adam Lambert. It's a lyric in a rap song. When niggas gay Jessie J shows up...oh wait. that would actually be a better rhyme. Thanks for this. We actually appear to be saying the same thing. Some fans with their denials are even indirectly saying Adam is lying about the gay he has himself referenced so many times as a factor, lol. Meanwhile, you had better answer the poster below you. She already indicated you might be me just because you decided to have an opinion contrary to hers, when all she could have just done was ask a mod to check the IP and location addresses.
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Post by gbam on Jun 20, 2012 3:10:45 GMT -5
Hmmmmm.... Nope I don't think it's the election cycle, those ads should be targeted to audiences and advertising to a neutral audience is blah. Much better to stimulate those already in your corner to get out and vote. Plus right now he's being played in the reddest states in the nation, Idaho and Utah. That doesn't address why some stations won't add him. I'm coming down on the "it's the song" side. The two so far do not have any grab power. NCOE might "fit" but it doesn't "connect". They aren't the songs that got Adam's friends dancing in the bus either. Please tell, How would you know if a song that has just a combined AI of less than 3m is not connecting with people? Haven't the radio experts themselves said it takes at least a 10m AI to ascertain it as that is when it should have connected with enough people and reflect on sales? I am sure we would be reaching different conclusions if radio was spinning this as much as the recent Kelly's single that cracked the top 200 on iTunes only after its audience impression was at almost 10m on both pop and chr combined about 2 or 3 days ago. It was sitting outside top 600 when it had a similar AI with NCOE and this definitely did deter radio from spinning it until it started connecting. Any song radio spins every hour would eventually connect. This song doesn't even have that exposure yet since it gets most of its spins at nights and outside the prime times. I forgot to say a lot of top 50 songs currently charting on POP including that of Stefano are out of overall top 300 songs on iTunes, yet they keep getting adds + spins and their sales are yet to be used against them.
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