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Post by mszue on Jun 19, 2012 12:03:03 GMT -5
That 'Zodiac" show suggestion is a great fantasy that would make a killer show....Can you not imagine a show with Adam....and Sam Sparrow and Jake and the Sissor Sisters....then throw in the Zodia bunch we all know and that love Adam...Alan, Carmit, Scarlet, Alisan....they know how to put a hell of a show on. Then put an extravaganza fit for the largest stadiums and have short series of 'special guests' that are draws for the area they are playing are currently available...Kylie Minogue, Goldfrapp, kd lang, Rufus Wainwright, Nelly Furtado, Nile Rogers, Slash....the list goes on....each guest would bring in new fans but at the same time, with that strong a core there is never a need for anyone else.
eta...while I am having my way with this scenario....Adam loves to collaborate. He is a social, 'group' animal yet he seems bound and determined to attack fame and fortune as a single...that has always surprised me just a little bit. I was never invested in the whole Monte thing one way or another but I suspect Monte saw he and Adam in the tradition of many of the rock groups in which the lead[usually] guitarist is almost as celebrated as the singer and that are spoken of in the same breath. It must have come as a bitter, bitter disappointment to see the partnership dissolve...and add to that the fact that Tommy seemed more popular with the fans than he....If anyone in the band had the same sort of charisma that Adam has perhaps that could have happened but it did not.
dreamin....and thinkin....and dreamin...
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Post by mszue on Jun 19, 2012 12:11:41 GMT -5
hahaha...I knew it....while I was typing and fantasizing away...y'all were doing the same thing....
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Post by sugaree on Jun 19, 2012 12:16:04 GMT -5
Hi moonies! Alison just invited me here. I guess I need to read the dark side thread to get an idea of some of the things you guys are talking about. So glad this is here! I'll be back!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 12:29:31 GMT -5
Yay!!!! sugaree!!!!
Several people have asked that I try to write something describing what the Moon Garden Lounge is and what is is for. The "vibe" ... let me know what you guys think. If it sounds OK, or with any modifications needed, maybe Jamie could then add it to the original post as a "welcome mat."
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The Moon Garden Lounge is dedicated to the discussion of ALL things Adam, broadly defined, from the serious to the fun-loving. Nothing is sacred, including the idea that nothing is sacred. There are no limits on the ideas that can be expressed or the questions that can be asked here. Here is the place for talking about the whole tapestry of Adam, his journey, and your own.
All the normal Adamtopia rules apply here. Please respect the fact that freedom of thought and development of ideas require peace, tolerance, space, equality, and compassion. You are in the same room here with your fellow human beings. This is a place for respect, for wit, for intelligence, for having a good time. Talk to each other like we're all having a drink at the same table.
Everyone is welcome and you don't have to be an egghead -- just order your adult beverage of choice -- coffee, tea, or something stronger -- and join right in.
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What do you guys think?
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Post by sugaree on Jun 19, 2012 12:38:16 GMT -5
So do I post a "lack of radio play" comment here or in the dark side? juniomoon, I love your description. I would bold the ALL in "all things Adam".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 12:47:30 GMT -5
Great suggestion, sugaree, I modified my post to include it. I think posting just comes down to a question of vibe. Post it here if you want to muse about it -- why? What does it all mean? How can it be changed? Does it matter? How does it matter? Why does it matter? Whither Adam? LOL somebody stop me  and in the other thread if you want to engage with facts, figures, charts, comparisons with other Idols, past performance, and the like -- If you want to rant to the skies about the unfairness of it all I'd say either place will do. ;D |
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Post by mszue on Jun 19, 2012 12:57:49 GMT -5
Junie we definitely do not want to stop you!! You are on a great roll and used just the right words in just the right order!! yeah...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 13:29:11 GMT -5
[waves at everyone gathered in the moongarden]
There are Adam fans who think we shouldn't be interested in anything other than his music. That we shouldn't want to know about his boyfriend, friends and family, his band, his house, etc...
As much as I can try to understand it, I am definitely not such kind of fan. I want to know everything about him.
For a second I thought maybe that was something shameful. But then I remembered...
Try taking an exam at my college without the complete knowledge of the writer's/poet's life/ circumstances/ even sexual history... Hell, one of my exam questions was this : Why did Shakespeare leave only his 'second best bed' to his wife in his will? ( we had to know which bed in his house was the 'first' best and EVERYTHING about his wife/ mistresses / boyfriends... entire chapters were dedicated to the question whether Shakespeare was gay or not...). If we hadn't known that, we would have failed, without exceptions... Oh, glory days:)))
In other words, there can be no complete understanding of an artist or his art without knowing all about crucial facts and even trivia from his life.
That's what I love the most: to listen to Adam's music, think about why he sang certain note / bridge like that, or why he used those words... I love reconstructing the man from his music, trying to capture the stream of consciousness behind the art... figuring out when the lyrics are serious and pregnant with meaning, and when he's just playing/fooling around... what mood / message he wants to convey, what he wants the listener to feel... Well, that's my favourite adam activity.
In slightly adapted words from the man himself, 'I can smell him on his songs'...
P.S. If we can choose our beverages, I'd like a gin and tonic, please... on the rocks:)
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Post by Alison on Jun 19, 2012 14:17:11 GMT -5
That Zodiac type show would be incredible! (just as long as Adam was front and center most of the time  . A drink sounds wonderful but I'll partake later. I am on the 2nd day of a 10 day juice fast  |
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Post by mirages on Jun 19, 2012 15:36:30 GMT -5
The place is indeed lovely by day, too (though still not nearly enough tassels), but I'm still stuck on the moon ...
Leaving this video to thank those of you who brought k.d. Lang back to my attention recently. Sublime voice, Adam calibre. I have her first album on cassette, A Truly Western Experience ... She hails from close to where I live now and had the courage to be a very vocal vegetarian in the heart of cattle country early in her career. Lately her activism has been about Tibet and tied to her own Buddhism ... Thanks to you, I started checking out her recent interviews and there's a lovely one in Australia recently where she talks about the reality of darkness, of suffering, but then says that that is really just the surface ... That below that is something else at the heart of reality, something very good.
This is my own experience, too, though I can get distracted by the very real angst-inducing stuff ... But if you can make yourself sit still and be quiet with it, you sort of fall through it into something that feels like love, and the heart responds with joy and wonder.
I am glad we have this moon garden to fall into. I hope anyone who wants to, comes ... I was sad to see people posting on our previous thread about not feeling deep enough because that was never the point, there was no depth test for admission and if there were I'd be dog paddling home myself. I think we all just come bearing whatever gifts are in our hands and hearts. Mine tend to be pretty geeky, and I appreciate finding a place to put them because they always kind of clunked in the main thread, and for good reason, probably.
Anyway ... Change is always unsettling, so I hope the Moonglow is soothing while we wait for the dust to settle. All the goodness is still here, all over this forum and in that force of nature named Adam who called us together out of the world and sends us back into it, too, better. Let's abide a bit and have patience with one another.
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Post by mirages on Jun 19, 2012 16:02:49 GMT -5
... Adding to my last post: something I am losing patience with is my inability to access the video of Jack White om the Colbert Report referenced a week or so ago by Mika and map ... Again, scorned here in farflung and exotic Canada. However, thanks to you two for igniting my interest in JW ... A really compelling guy, though only some of his music grabs me. So I guess I am in the camp of those who find the artIst as intereting as the art ... This may be heresy, but someone posted a YouTube on the main thread recently that featured back to back clips of all of Adam's glory notes and I had to turn it off after about 39 seconds. I love his OTTness, but it's really the subtlety and sensitivity he gives his voice that grabs me, or maybe marveling at how he does both, how he can reign in that turbo charged instrument and make it evoke such a range of fine emotion as well as the bombast ... I think of the way he colours his tone in Feeling Good after that run way, way up the scale, sliding back down lazily and with much, much more than octaves and virtuosity to offer.
Speaking of virtuosity, Juniemoon, great welcome mat ... Applause!
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Post by lynne on Jun 19, 2012 16:07:43 GMT -5
[waves at everyone gathered in the moongarden] There are Adam fans who think we shouldn't be interested in anything other than his music. That we shouldn't want to know about his boyfriend, friends and family, his band, his house, etc... As much as I can try to understand it, I am definitely not such kind of fan. I want to know everything about him. For a second I thought maybe that was something shameful. But then I remembered.. Try taking an exam at my college without the complete knowledge of the writer's/poet's life/ circumstances/ even sexual history... Hell, one of my exam questions was this : Why did Shakespeare leave only his 'second best bed' to his wife in his will? ( we had to know which bed in his house was the 'first' best and EVERYTHING about his wife/ mistresses / boyfriends... entire chapters were dedicated to the question whether Shakespeare was gay or not...). If we hadn't known that, we would have failed, without exceptions... Oh, glory days:))) In other words, there can be no complete understanding of an artist or his art without knowing all about crucial facts and even trivia from his life. That's what I love the most: to listen to Adam's music, think about why he sang certain note / bridge like that, or why he used those words... I love reconstructing the man from his music, trying to capture the stream of consciousness behind the art... figuring out when the lyrics are serious and pregnant with meaning, and when he's just playing/fooling around... what mood / message he wants to convey, what he wants the listener to feel... Well, that's my favourite adam activity. In slightly adapted words from the man himself, 'I can smell him on his songs'... P.S. If we can choose our beverages, I'd like a gin and tonic, please... on the rocks:) . I enjoy that kind of analysis as well. When I read literature, all of that knowledge helps me understand the forces at work that shape the artist and his art. This makes it resonate more deeply with me. Then, as a reader, I like to extrapolate how those things are relevant in my life, my culture, my world. That really, in a music forum, is where I go "off topic.". In explaining my involvement in this forum, I told my daughter this morning that it is kind of like a virtual book club, only the book being discussed is Adam, lol. Some like to dissect and analyze the artist, some like to discuss literary technique, some like to compare it to other works read, some like to parse the text, some like the pretty pictures, some like to concentrate on themes and how they impact society and/or their individual experience, some like discussing how the work is marketed, and some discuss its popularity with the public and/or whether it makes the NYTimes best selling list or whether it will win the Pulitzer prize. Of course, lollies and tea and beverages of choice and moonlight all come into play. And the audiobooks and movie versions are pretty spectacular. Good to see you, Mika. |
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Post by mszue on Jun 19, 2012 18:30:04 GMT -5
Who is handing out the libations here...I need a rusty nail!! :-)....I have been pontificating away on the dark thread and I need to chill out in this beautiful moon garden.
Lynn....I love your comparison to analyzing a book..you have a great way of explaining things. ..that is not so utterly different from my feeble attempt to differentiate between being critical and doing critical thinking/analysis. I think you should go back there and clean up my mess before I get banned to Bedlam....
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Post by Alison on Jun 19, 2012 19:18:24 GMT -5
Who is handing out the libations here...I need a rusty nail!! :-)....I have been pontificating away on the dark thread and I need to chill out in this beautiful moon garden. Lynn....I love your comparison to analyzing a book..you have a great way of explaining things. ..that is not so utterly different from my feeble attempt to differentiate between being critical and doing critical thinking/analysis. I think you should go back there and clean up my mess before I get banned to Bedlam.... I totally "got" your explanations of "dark"--maybe that's because I am a #3. It just feels better over here. I am lacking the strength to explain myself further anyway. |
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Post by mika on Jun 19, 2012 19:19:35 GMT -5
Mirages, I'm sorry for whatever evil corporation denies you access to Mr. Colbert. I think the Comedy Channel has a separate Canadian web address but I don't know if content is same. (cause I am understandably scorned there) I too am often very interested in artists even when I'm not as 'into' their art - thank you for expressing that so well. (And sometimes the other way - I still love Smashing Pumpkins music but B. Corgan has nothing to say I'm interested in. Ha, who says we aren't dark enough ) Yes, though I find some recent songs compelling-I can't really follow Jack W. all the way on his roots music journey but watching him make the journey is art itself. kd lang has a beautiful voice & her song interpretation is a wonder - I haven't always 'felt' her song choices, but her version of 'Bird on a Wire' is not only my favorite but the only one that doesn't annoy me. I'm such a Leonard Cohen fan, but I find his and other vers. generally whiny 'I'm faithful in my own way, really but I'm a special snowflake so..' but to me hers is dark, passionate, expressing genuine regret, explaining w/out excusing. (I just watched the link below. Jesus. Duet, duet?)
And I love something you said: I think of the way he colours his tone in Feeling Good after that run way, way up the scale, sliding back down lazily and with much, much more than octaves and virtuosity to offer Yes, yes. As amazing as he is on any given day, I love those relatively infrequent performances when Adam slides into a song and takes it for ride that's almost internal, letting the colors fly like Pollock. More, more. I think Jamie, Alison, and I were celebrating great covers of songs on the Music Rec thread a long time ago. (apologies if I missed someone) I would really like to see Adam do creative covers - both as concert encores and specifically for You Tube (singers do this all the time and just pretend it was 'accidental') - preferably recorded not by a fan but someone w/skills, equip. to capture good sound, visual for vid. (Cause music geeks are always looking for off beat covers to 'discover' - for instance, Sugarland is way too country for me generally but I was bowled over by her live cover of Sex on Fire - better for me than original - and kicked my opinion of them waaay up.) And You Tube is currently the direct path to... everyone. Adam should only do current-ish, songs, no classic rock (though that Purple Haze might be an exception). He likes Katy Perry's 'All of Me'? Sing it. (God knows that could only be good for the song.) Same for my long awaited version of Gaga's 'Speechless' which he also likes and she never really got off the ground despite a strenuous effort. And yeah it's to a guy - sfw. Also get Brian (and Kevin's still around) to work w/him on new arrangements of rap/hip hop songs by male singers into something funky and Adam-y. Let people hear what pop hits would sound like when they've been Adamized. [Adam, trespass on their turf and own their asses is what I'm sayin'.] I think Adam is understandably more than a bit cover-phobic post Idol and maybe more so post-Queen. But stretching his creative wings on contemporary music-esp out of genre-would further his presence in the musical cybersphere that extends well beyond his fandom and who knows what might go viral or what producer or songwriter might see him differently. In honor of Kara D. ;D, it shows his artistry which was something that originally pulled in people who follow cont. music scene and are impressed with Adam but may not be such big fans of the Trespassing vibe - at least not yet. (Not enjoying a specific genre/sound is not necessarily a character flaw. ) Voila - I remain wordy as hell.
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