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Post by talon on Jul 19, 2017 22:35:23 GMT -5
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Post by talon on Jul 18, 2017 21:17:04 GMT -5
Don't know what's going on - no where near sets or streams just reading along...if Metallica was there - well if they were going to guest it would have to be on SCC...Metallica won a grammy for their cover of it
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Post by talon on Jul 17, 2017 11:20:32 GMT -5
So SOMETHING is afoot. OF course what usually happens in Queen world. Some unofficial leak happens, and fans whip themselves into a frenzy about what could be released...We look at the recent Sgt. Peppers reissues and some of the Pink Floyd reissues and drool... And then what we usually end up getting are bonus tracks that we've all had from elsewhere and some weird reproduction of tour items, and nonsense... OR in the case of the 2011 reissues a bonus EP of 5 tracks...of which 1 or 2 might be useful. ALREADY there's talk of 3 releases...a standard release, a 3 CD release, and some type of big package. We know at least some of what's available: - There was a Bob Harris documentary in the works during the NOTW tour that was never finished for various reasons...some of the footage was later used for other documentaries, etc. Rhys Thomas (who was behind Days of Our Lives and The Great Pretender docs) stated that there was hope to clean that up and finish it at one point. Now would be the time. - Houston 1977 - Other live gigs - A few demos have surfaced that could be used. If it was up to me? 5 Disc Disc 1: Album Remastered Disc 2: Demos, Outtakes, Alternate Takes Disc 3: Live in Houston 1977 Blu Ray Disc 4: News of the World Tour Highlights Disc 5: Bob Harris Documentary But that's a pipe dream. My trained pessimistic self says: Disc 1: Album Remastered Disc 2: Bonus tracks to include the BBC Session (we already have), single edits we have, the demo we have, a few live tracks So we'd get a few tracks we didn't have but not much.... ANYWAYS To quote myself and for those interested.......we got official announcement of sorts. In an announcement of the annual Freddie Birthday Party (where last year they screened QAL in Japan for the first time) they said the exclusive this year is first look at the 2017 NOTW Documentary which is to be released in NOvember as part of a NOTW 40th Anniversary Box Set! So something WAS afoot!!! AND we're already getting a bit more than my pessimisitic self says...The 2017 doc is actually the finished Bob Harris Documentary (hopefully not butchered or cut up - hopefully completed well - it is being produced by Simon Lupton who partnered with Rhys Thomas on Days of Our Lives and The Great Pretender I believe so I have faith there.... NOW to find out what else is in this *Box Set*. I'm still prepared to be let down...but the first part - the doc is awesome. Hopefully we get my Disc 2 more than anything....and then Houston as well....I hope
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Post by talon on Jul 17, 2017 11:15:27 GMT -5
Ok that I can understand and you are right to a degree. However....you can't blame someone for how they feel. We shouldn't need someone to destroy themselves, we shouldn't require Aerosmith to stay on drugs, etc. etc. BUT at the same time the fact remains that Aerosmith's best creative time *DID* happen while they were drug addicts. Does that mean I want them to go back to that? No. But I will love the art they put out when they were in that state. A rock singer who is destroying his voice but sounding oh so in tune with emotion might just be more evocative and touch someone deep inside more. Wanting them to destroy themselves is one thing and is not to be supported. But I can't argue against loving the outcome.
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Post by talon on Jul 17, 2017 2:26:41 GMT -5
^ A nice tale. It was also something I was able to bond with my mother about when I was younger. She was a big opera (and Sinatra) fan and used to never admit Freddie was good - always naysaying (until I heard her once telling my aunt that she while she'd never admit it, she enjoyed his cover of The Great Pretender. But hearing him with Montserrat Caballe, she was able to hear music she enjoyed unlike that crazy rock and roll stuff As far as Freddie live - as per usual, it's not a simple answer. (You ask me a question, I tend to give a detailed response ) First off, while Adam is a natural tenor, Freddie is a natural baritone. He has a tremendous range and hits a lot of those high notes which are impressive especially given where his voice naturally sits, and that informed his live singing a bit. But first, in Queen, Freddie's voice was ever developing. The first few albums was spent actually finding Freddie's voice. He had been a bit of a hesitant frontman (about his voice specifically). Now as a matter of public knowledge Freddie suffered a bit from not having the training and he did develop nodules so he constantly was finding different ways to tackle material...He didn't miss many shows due to it - but a few...amazingly the Live Aid gig? Considered by many to be one of the greatest rock moments ever? According to reports, Freddie was advised by doctors not to sing that night... Freddie really found the peak for the power of his voice in the late 70s and early to mid 80s...it changed again when he contracted AIDS and quit smoking (which he actually enjoyed the "huskiness" it gave to his voice, in his words..) and began thinning out towards the end (and yet he still managed amazing one take vocals in the studio). So with all that in mind, he also had to deal with the major harmonies Queen always brought. Trying to recreate that live with just Freddie, Brian, and Roger's singing was a challenge. SO it was easier to allow Roger to take the high notes, Freddie would take the lower end, and Brian would take either the middle or in some cases the lower. Freddie also seemed to hate going into his falsetto in concert, choosing mostly to choose an alternative melody rather than sing falsetto. This is what would lead to a more "aggressive" sounding live voice. Pushing the envelope, the tempo, the more rock edge. It was nice when he did do the softer side, but it was rarer. When he did You Take My Breath Away live, it was just him and his piano which was a very nice touch. Love Of My Life was also nice but the crowd sang a lot of it for him so it's not quite the same.
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Post by talon on Jul 16, 2017 19:02:38 GMT -5
Since someone mentioned my name, I guess I will jump in here. Adam's voice has been trained classically, and there are elements of that classical training in everything he sings. He is remarkably adept at modulating his voice to fit different genres. But he doesn't sound like the typical singer of those genres completely. To my ear, when Adam sings The heavier metal songs and rock songs, his voice, while powerful, doesn't have the grit or the rawness that I think of in that genre. It can be said that his voice doesn't have the pain that I hear in rock singers in general. So I do understand when some Fans Say they prefer Freddie singing Rock. As to the assertion that some fans make that Freddie sang Opera, not so much. He might have been singing a song written in the style of Opera but he was not singing in the operatic style if you know what I mean. If Freddie ever auditioned to be in an Opera Company, he would be rejected. So, if some Queen fans reject Adam singing their hard rock songs, I can't really object. Thank goodness Brian and Rodger like the way Adam sings their songs including their hard rock songs. Thank goodness they feel rejuvenated and eager to tour so that we can see and hear that spectacle. Those who don't like it, can stay home. They're still selling out arenas. Please forgive any wonky wording or typing, as I am doing this from my cell phone. Agreed! And similarly I was that Montserrat didn't care what opera circles thought (same as Pavarotti who reportedly LOVED Freddies voice and the Barcelona album... It was still consider a breakthrough album that no one else at the time would have dared!
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Post by talon on Jul 16, 2017 13:03:02 GMT -5
*Shrug* But my question is with your talking of reviewers - where does it say they are upset because fans are saying how great Adam is? I think they mention Freddie because it would be strange not too. The whole thing is Queen - Queen's band (for the most part), Queen's catalogue of music. How do most people not make the comparison? You can make the comparison and still enjoy the show. You can make the comparison and think Adam was superior, Freddie was superior, think they were equal and still enjoy the show. But asking people NOT to make the comparison would be strange. If someone covered "Ghost Town", you can bet your ass that everyone including Adam fans would compare it to Adam's version. And in the review it would be mentioned.
The only way Adam does not get compared in QAL is if they change the name and/or release new music. Otherwise people are just going to have to get used to it I think...
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Post by talon on Jul 16, 2017 11:42:30 GMT -5
Well if you put it out there on a forum, I would assume you are open to having a dialogue...otherwise why post on a forum? You post your opinion on what the reviewer thinks...I'm doing the same...well at least saying it's quite possible that there is an alternative train of thought... No one (especially me) is questioning that there are a ton of fans who are enjoying the show. Hell, I am enjoying the show. It's not all or nothing though. It's not good or bad. great or terrible. There are many swashes of fans out there. For example: #1 There are Adam fanatics who love him singing the alphabet and who are having the time of their lives #2 There are Queen fans who are falling in love with Adam #3 There are Queen fans who overall enjoy most of what Adam brings.... #4 There are Queen fans who enjoy QAL better than QPR but are not big fans. #5 There are Queen fans LOVING the fact that B&R are on the road again and it wouldn't matter to them who is singing. #6 There are Queen fans who think Adam does an okay job, okay enough to have a great time #7 There are Queen fans out there who think Adam passes muster, but it's nowhere near as good as the way it used tobe. #8 There are Queen fans who are turned off by Adam (without agenda...just honestly just aren't a fan) who still like to hear B&R and are enjoying the gigs. #9 There are Queen fans who hate the way Adam sounds and it ruins the experience for them #10 There are Queen fans who have an agenda and won't even give Adam a chance. There are probably even more categories but out of that list of 10 categories to me, only #10 is questionable. If you can't give the guy a chance, then you just shouldn't talk about it and not worry about it. Completely agree there. However there is a segment even of THAT category that I can accept..Those who don't badmouth it - just don't want anything to do with it and move on. The rest though are completely valid and I know people who match EVERY single one of them. I'd consider myself a part of 2 categories. #5. I would go see B&R because I love B&R. Even if it was being fronted by someone I detested, I'd suck it up and go for B&R. But also I consider myself a part of #3. I love hearing Adam on WWTLF, The Show Must Go On, Save Me, I Want To Break Free, I Want It All (even a rock song!), and I enjoyed It's Late from what I've heard
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Post by talon on Jul 16, 2017 10:46:17 GMT -5
talon to pick up on our conversation about Lucy. Brians guitar is there from the beginning, so there's that ...I like good intros (like in Lucy). Both 'Ghost Town and 'Whataya want from me' have distinctive intros. I absolutely dig the intro to Shawn Mendes "Treat you better". Don't know much about Shawn...I'll give it a listen later when I can...What I meant about Brian's guitar is that when he starts the lead soloing is when it is more distinctly Brian...and quite honestly, I'm not sure that's not all he plays. He has done that QUITE a bit where he just kind of comes in throws a solo part or a lead part over a bed of instruments and guitars already there! I honestly haven't listened in a bit (And I'm at work so I can't now) but I think that might be what happened here...I'll let you know when I get a chance to listen again! Good intros do certainly help though!
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