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Post by talon on Sept 21, 2015 7:02:22 GMT -5
See tomorrow post with further info after investigating
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Post by talon on Sept 21, 2015 7:09:30 GMT -5
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Post by cassie on Sept 21, 2015 7:28:48 GMT -5
On Save Me at Sao Paulo, I did not hear Spike's usual musical cue for the key at the start-up. Obviously, Adam didn't hear it either, and started almost on key, but tentatively. He stopped singing and let the audience do it, and they pulled the key further down. When the instruments kicked in on the second verse there was a moment of clash in keys, then Adam instantly adjusted and we were off to the races.
Which leads to an alteration at the beginning in Rio. Spike gives a very definite and sustained chording to cue Adam, and then, rather than the first verse being totally a cappella, he subtly adds a few chords to keep Adam and the audience on key. Smart idea with all the sound problems.
They are all seasoned pros, and it is all part of doing a live show. It's fun to see the little glitches and adjustments, and how the show must go on.
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Post by nic42 on Sept 21, 2015 7:40:13 GMT -5
See tomorrow post with further info after investigating I agree with your (seemingly deleted?) analysis. Adam missed the first beat. 'Die' should be on the first beat of four, and 'Save' too (that's why you hear three cymbal hits in between). In Rio, Adam sang 'Save' on the second beat. I think it was all a bit of a mess, since Roger was playing gently along during the a capella part, but clearly not in the rhythm that Adam had in mind. I think that might have been the signalling that Adam did, 'slow down' or something. So then when things should have come together, they didn't, and then after a few seconds they did. I listened to a few Save Me's from Europe to determine what should have happened, and I was amazed at how many variations I heard. Drums completely silent until the end of the a capella, softly playing along, gently coming in, or more aggressively. Guitar starting directly, or a bit later. Every time I think I've heard it all there is another layer to discover. I hope so very much that they will do a few more shows after this! Edit: Talon, I read your new post in today's thread, and yes, a faulty monitor could have been the cause too.
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Post by nic42 on Sept 21, 2015 7:49:10 GMT -5
Okay, last post about the mystery, will keep it in this thread so as not to spark a whole new discussion (ready to move on!), but maybe the lyric flub at the start was intentional? Maybe this was Adam trying to say something wasn't right? He's done that before. Or it is just a sign of my over-analyzing mind
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Post by mireille on Sept 21, 2015 9:07:22 GMT -5
Isn't it wonderful that things so rarely go wrong that we are spending a lot of time trying to find out why they missed 5 seconds of music? I really mean this btw, and I have been watching and analyzing too. At first I thought it was Adam, but there seem to be just drums after he stops singing, so yeah, something must have been wrong with the guitar, and maybe more. I think Adam did mess up the first part of Save Me in Sao Paulo though, or maybe this was a little signal of the problem that happened in Rio? Can I repeat: seriously in awe of QAL and their whole team. I think we can list the mistakes / mishaps on one hand. Mic giving out on opening night, solved within seconds, Adam not being able to hear himself during LOTG somewhere in Australia and singing precisely that (in tune!), maybe one or two times the Q didn't come down correctly and I think I saw one segment not being lit during a show. There must have been so many more things that went wrong during almost 80 (right?) shows of this complexity, but they catch them before we do. And if they don't, nobody panics but they fix it ever so elegantly. I searched for the video of the techproblems during Lap of the Gods and found it. Adam creatively solved the problem: you must be self confident to start doing a jazz version of LotG, beautifully solved. And again, not very much handsignals to the tech people. And everyone on stage just look normal, as if this was supposed to be sung like this. I play in a theatregroup and the big rule when performing is that if there is something going wrong, just go on, solve it on the spot (and help eachother), but don't act like you made a mistake: work around it. And that is what Adam and the band is doing. (last performance I did there was a scene in which there was a big pause, too big of a pause. Someone of the six people on stage had to start a line, but it seemed everyone forgot what the line was. for me it seemed like an hourlong silence, while thinking hard "ok, what should have been said here, i don't know". So i did some "silence play" to get the attention to that and luckily I heard someone saying a line and the scene was saved. Afterwards I asked some people in the audience if they noticed it and no-one did!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 9:16:53 GMT -5
Not the first (or last time, I'm sure) that Adam uses riffing for a sound check. This one "I can't hear" makes it a bit mmore obvious what he si doing. At the ATT gig in LA, his riffing was also he & the sound guy trying to get his monitors "fixed." I was right next to the sound guy for this. It was fun to watch and listen to!
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