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Post by taumbu on Jun 8, 2020 17:51:36 GMT -5
I agree! Defund the police is the wrong language. What it means is giving more money to other resources like educational programs, social workers, and community services. It does not mean getting rid of the police but better training and balance so we don’t expect the police to do everything. Community policing. I wish they would stop using the word defunding. It will only take the issue off of what we really need to do....which IMO is change police from being military to being more community oriented.
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Jun 8, 2020 18:00:59 GMT -5
An big Adam fan and former neighboor! @lightintheattic: Happy 80th birthday to the one and only @nancysinatra. Born on this day in 1940 in Jersey City. Thanks for the countless hits and for continuing to speak out during these crazy times (check her twitter). Photo by Ron Joy / Courtesy of Boots Enterprises Inc. twitter.com/lightintheattic/status/1270038563527127047
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Jun 8, 2020 18:06:39 GMT -5
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Post by brdgt on Jun 8, 2020 18:15:08 GMT -5
I had/have the same reaction to that slogan. BUT I also see it has a LOT of appeal to people living in abusively over-policed communities. For example, the owners of the shop where George Lloyd was suspected of using counterfeit $20 explained that they normally don’t call the police, but that a new employee was working and did. Have you seen the footage of protestors asking the Mayor if he would support “defunding”? When he says “no” he takes the longest walk of shame outta there, and I don’t think he will be re-elected.
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Post by sizzling63 on Jun 8, 2020 18:15:18 GMT -5
May be a radical term like "Defund the Police" is necessary in order to implement real change. Policing doesn't tackle the root of our problems.
Edit: The post on page1 speaks for itself... thank you!
"1 in 4 of the world's prisoners is in the USA; the United States population is 4.25% of the total world population"
I think we really need to tackle the disparity in wealth and start on actively honoring "equality and justice for all".
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Jun 8, 2020 18:17:53 GMT -5
@artglambert: Love that I stan an Idol who stands up for what he believes in, Proud Glambert from Australia. ❤️ Love you .@adamlambert Proud of you. New Fan Artwork made by me #glamberts #BlackLivesMatter twitter.com/ArtGlambert/status/1269918933080879104
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Post by lurleene on Jun 8, 2020 20:16:55 GMT -5
I had/have the same reaction to that slogan. BUT I also see it has a LOT of appeal to people living in abusively over-policed communities. For example, the owners of the shop where George Lloyd was suspected of using counterfeit $20 explained that they normally don’t call the police, but that a new employee was working and did. Have you seen the footage of protestors asking the Mayor if he would support “defunding”? When he says “no” he takes the longest walk of shame outta there, and I don’t think he will be re-elected.Meaning another democrat will beat him in a primary? Or this will open a door for a republican? I hope we don't start eating our own over a poorly worded slogan. They are not going to abolish the police all over the US. The Mayor was on the right side of George Floyd's death and calling for the arrest of the police officer. Then all the chaos seemed to turn him into the enemy. I think it will be career suicide to start calling for no police in certain parts of the country. Being radical left does not win elections in many states. TBH, I was terrified that we would lose my state if we elected Bernie, tho I would have voted for him if he got the nomination. My state is hanging on to our hard fought blue status by a thread. The support is there for BLM and police reform but taking it too far I'm afraid can change that. It just won't sell in many parts of the country that we are going to need to take back the senate and get rid of the orange one. The marches drew out all these people because of Mr. Floyd's death and to support BLM.
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Post by Craazyforadam on Jun 8, 2020 20:45:17 GMT -5
fist of all, I would rename the slogan 'defund ICE'.
Or any unbadged SS-like troops that suddenly fight their own citizens in our city streets, whoever created and authorized their existence.
To add to the prison problem discussed earlier. The problem is even worse. A private prison industry has sprung up, that is getting paid for every prisoner that they house. Female prisons are relatively easy to control and are a huge revenue generator (partially for HeWhoCannot ameds pockets). The taxpayer gets defunded in the process, and nobody tries to get these prisoners who are in there without conviction, out of there, because the prison industry is interested in growth. These parts of America definitely need to be defunded, but saying 'defund the police' makes me absolutely cringe. It is certainly not what I want, or many others in the democratic party want, but somehow the party has seemingly nobody in charge of the messaging. That looks at minimum weak, or worse, even confused.
Finally, 'calls to defund and/or demilitarize the police should be looked at quite carefully. The US is headed into an election cycle, where many credible parties assume, that even if Biden wins, HeWhoCannot amed will not go without calling his militarized legions out into the streets to fight. Then, do you really want to live in a country, where such goons cannot be arrested, because the police is demilitarized, when they cause havoc in the streets? To what extent are they causing these protests to get radicalized already now? We need a police presence in the country.
The police is doing lots of good across the country and in cities and suburbs every single day. There is a problem to root out the bad apples, both racist as well as just power-hungry or otherwise unsuited for the job. And there is an issue charging and prosecuting those that have committed something wrong, including and all the way up to racially motivated murder.
Democratic leaning people, including a lot of the young adults (18+) are not voting. i.e. District attorney is an electable position in many parts of the country. People think they have no power to change certain judiciary positions, when in reality they do. But they often don't know about that stuff and only show up for elections when they are presidential ones. That is partially how some of these positions ended up getting filled in such lopsided manners.
I personally do believe that one party does significantly more to address the right set of problems than the other party, at the moment. But I do think that the Democrats are quite willing and capable of shooting themselves in the foot on a regular basis, unfortunately.
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Post by Jablea on Jun 8, 2020 21:06:20 GMT -5
I agree. "Defund the police" is a poor slogan that doesn't even express what the real intention is. The real goal is to add funds to local grassroots areas that need more infrastructure and assistance. That does not mean that we "do away" with police departments and their entire funding. There needs to be a better way to express the real goal. "Defund the police" is already being weaponized. Adam is using it because everybody else is, and there is no other phrase to use at this point. I hope Adam tweets us a little recap of his walk with the protest march. I'm glad you all are in agreement that "Defund the Police" is a poor slogan. When I first heard it and even when Adam's been using it.....I thought when you defund a gov't entity that means it's being eliminated as it only exists with funding. I see where Minneapolis means it literally and Omar and even brother Neil....but Biden, Booker and others said they aren't for defunding and Harris and Pelosi are dancing around the question. A couple of articles on how defunding might work featuring Camden, New Jersey. The chief is getting interviewed a lot this week. One way to look at it is a hostile takeover by someone intent on modernizing, making it leaner, and selling the new firm off piecemeal. When you look at the results - less spending on personnel while actually hiring more police officers and busting a powerful union at the same time - you'd think conservatives would be all on board. First one is just a year after they fired everyone from the chief to the janitors. Why Camden, N.J., the Murder Capital of the Country, Disbanded Its Police ForceThis one is four years later (two years ago) - successes and failures after the reorganization - and talks about some of the changes the HeWhoCannot amed administration is making to defund community policing (ie - goes along with his "it's ok if the perps get roughed up" talk) What Happened to Crime in Camden?
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Post by Jablea on Jun 8, 2020 21:14:43 GMT -5
ADAM LAMBERT Retweeted Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez@aoc
This is unethical. Quote Tweet Public Citizen@public_Citizen
The NYPD’s budget is $6,000,000,000 That’s more than the city spends on health, homelessness, youth development and workforce development combined. Public Citizen is one of the organizations I support (they are not tax-deductible because they lobby) and first organized by Ralph Nader. They send out a monthly paper from which I've learned a lot. It's made me rethink things beyond my gut reaction to really look at the effects of different legislation from trade treaties to phone apps. It's made me change my mind several times which isn't really comfortable.
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