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Post by pi on Jul 28, 2020 19:58:16 GMT -5
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Post by 3ku11 on Jul 28, 2020 20:48:54 GMT -5
The AMAS well always be part of his legacy. For better or for worse. Better embracing it. I wouldn't change it for thr world. He may have sacrificed commercial success in the States. But its the moment he was liberated and became Adam Lambert. I always felt if he just did a nice little Ballad. Be just another David Cook. Instead he became an international star. Just gotta say, I always find your comments refreshing. They add tremendous value to our discussions in the bubble that we are all in. Adam did what he needed to do back then, and it has contributed to his journey and who he is now. Haha just a straight white guy. Who turned the channel one night. And saw a guy wearing eyeliner singing mad world. And forever changing my world view. I guess my perspective is different haha.
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Post by sizzling63 on Jul 28, 2020 21:09:23 GMT -5
The AMAs have been one of my favorite sources of Alternate Universe conjectures since that fateful November evening. What would have happened if Adam had performed FYE exactly as rehearsed? Even without the kiss and pushing the dancer's head into his crotch, it was still a world away from the Adam Lambert people saw on Idol. What would have happened if RCA had its way and he'd sung WWFM as his lead single? What would have happened if he'd had a different lead single altogether? (Alternate Universe conjecture, subchapter A: What if he'd changed the lyric in "Fever" from "There he goes..." to "There you go..." and released "Fever" as the lead single?). One thing I've always wondered about is why someone as focused on vocals, and as experienced with his voice, as Adam went with FYE as the lead single. Sure, it was edgy and as far from an "Idol single" as one could get, which was undoubtedly why he wanted it. But it was not a song meant to be sung live. It was originally intended for Britney Spears, for heaven's sake. Even without the controversial aspects of the performance, the vocals were so far from what he was capable of. I find it impossible to believe he didn't know that would be the case. From what I remember reading at the time, the rehearsals didn't sound much better than the actual performance. IMO it took years for him to manage a credible live version of FYE. It's one reason I wish he'd made the lyric change - not to "she," just to the usual "you" - to enable him to release "Fever". It was a true pop song, it was a fun song he could do a lot with (even without the Tommy tonsil hockey), and he could sing it! Maybe it was too closely identified with Gaga and he didn't want to encourage the whole Lord Gaga thing, I don't know. And I know it doesn't matter because that isn't what he did. But I still wonder... Valid "what ifs" that we likely will keep asking ourselves as long as we follow Adam's journey haha. I think it is reasonable to assume that the below Idol standards vocals during that FYE performance added to the shock value of a performance that nobody expected. After all, it was the first impression after Idol. Thankfully, Adam recovered with WWFM, an almost conciliatory song that people could relate to and get on board with. It was too vanilla for my personal taste, though I really like the music video, and to this day I still feel lukewarm about it. But it was a good pick to get Adam back on track. For me, Fever was love at first listen, similarly to SP now, and it screamed "single" when the FYE album came out, though I doubt that it would have had a chance after the AMAs, even with a pronoun change. Instead it became THE Glamnation theme song of sorts haha, and I think it would have been equally well received without the "extras". As I think about it just now, you wondering what would have happened if "Fever" had been released as a first single makes sense. All speculations and revisiting history at this point.
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Post by happy on Jul 28, 2020 21:11:01 GMT -5
The AMAs have been one of my favorite sources of Alternate Universe conjectures since that fateful November evening. What would have happened if Adam had performed FYE exactly as rehearsed? Even without the kiss and pushing the dancer's head into his crotch, it was still a world away from the Adam Lambert people saw on Idol. What would have happened if RCA had its way and he'd sung WWFM as his lead single? What would have happened if he'd had a different lead single altogether? (Alternate Universe conjecture, subchapter A: What if he'd changed the lyric in "Fever" from "There he goes..." to "There you go..." and released "Fever" as the lead single?). One thing I've always wondered about is why someone as focused on vocals, and as experienced with his voice, as Adam went with FYE as the lead single. Sure, it was edgy and as far from an "Idol single" as one could get, which was undoubtedly why he wanted it. But it was not a song meant to be sung live. It was originally intended for Britney Spears, for heaven's sake. Even without the controversial aspects of the performance, the vocals were so far from what he was capable of. I find it impossible to believe he didn't know that would be the case. From what I remember reading at the time, the rehearsals didn't sound much better than the actual performance. IMO it took years for him to manage a credible live version of FYE. It's one reason I wish he'd made the lyric change - not to "she," just to the usual "you" - to enable him to release "Fever". It was a true pop song, it was a fun song he could do a lot with (even without the Tommy tonsil hockey), and he could sing it! Maybe it was too closely identified with Gaga and he didn't want to encourage the whole Lord Gaga thing, I don't know. And I know it doesn't matter because that isn't what he did. But I still wonder... I have often played various scenarios in my head too. I just know that my local pop radio station thought he was probably going to be the next big thing. September is when the students are back in school and the station put a huge ad on the transit buses with life-size pics of Lady Gaga, Katie Perry, Bon Jovi and Adam. I loved seeing the buses, but they did make me a bit sad after the AMAs controversy. Next September, Adam's pic was gone. :(
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Post by pi on Jul 28, 2020 21:33:40 GMT -5
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Post by lurleene on Jul 28, 2020 22:06:38 GMT -5
Ha! I think we all have our favorites. So if I had to pick the first single, it would have been the song Adam co-wrote with Ryan Tedder. "Sleepwalker." But all of his tv performances of WWFM were exciting and just so good. He made the performances more rock like and sexy. At the end of the day, he was not going to be allowed to release his first one or two singles unless they were Dr. Luke's. I was so glad when he was no longer a factor. TBH, I was also glad when Adam broke from Max Martin. They seemed to work well for the ladies but they never really seemed to capture Adam and play to his enormous strengths, imo.
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Post by thelambertluvva on Jul 28, 2020 22:11:20 GMT -5
Ha! I think we all have our favorites. So if I had to pick the first single, it would have been the song Adam co-wrote with Ryan Tedder. "Sleepwalker." But all of his tv performances of WWFM were exciting and just so good. He made the performances more rock like and sexy. At the end of the day, he was not going to be allowed to release his first one or two singles unless they were Dr. Luke's. I was so glad when he was no longer a factor. TBH, I was also glad when Adam broke from Max Martin. They seemed to work well for the ladies but they never really seemed to capture Adam and play to his enormous strengths, imo. I don't remember Adam co-writing "Sleepwalker". I just looked it up and the wiki doesn't have him as a co-writer.
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Post by 3ku11 on Jul 28, 2020 22:17:09 GMT -5
Ha! I think we all have our favorites. So if I had to pick the first single, it would have been the song Adam co-wrote with Ryan Tedder. "Sleepwalker." But all of his tv performances of WWFM were exciting and just so good. He made the performances more rock like and sexy. At the end of the day, he was not going to be allowed to release his first one or two singles unless they were Dr. Luke's. I was so glad when he was no longer a factor. TBH, I was also glad when Adam broke from Max Martin. They seemed to work well for the ladies but they never really seemed to capture Adam and play to his enormous strengths, imo. FYE probably didn't fly after the controversy. So wwfm made perfect sense. Time over? Prob Sleepwalker. Then I would of liked time for miracles tbh. Same with Trespassing. Wrong song choices. Better then I know myself. Was an outdated Claude kelly demo. Would of gone Cuckoo or Naked Love.
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Post by 3ku11 on Jul 28, 2020 22:23:55 GMT -5
The AMAs have been one of my favorite sources of Alternate Universe conjectures since that fateful November evening. What would have happened if Adam had performed FYE exactly as rehearsed? Even without the kiss and pushing the dancer's head into his crotch, it was still a world away from the Adam Lambert people saw on Idol. What would have happened if RCA had its way and he'd sung WWFM as his lead single? What would have happened if he'd had a different lead single altogether? (Alternate Universe conjecture, subchapter A: What if he'd changed the lyric in "Fever" from "There he goes..." to "There you go..." and released "Fever" as the lead single?). One thing I've always wondered about is why someone as focused on vocals, and as experienced with his voice, as Adam went with FYE as the lead single. Sure, it was edgy and as far from an "Idol single" as one could get, which was undoubtedly why he wanted it. But it was not a song meant to be sung live. It was originally intended for Britney Spears, for heaven's sake. Even without the controversial aspects of the performance, the vocals were so far from what he was capable of. I find it impossible to believe he didn't know that would be the case. From what I remember reading at the time, the rehearsals didn't sound much better than the actual performance. IMO it took years for him to manage a credible live version of FYE. It's one reason I wish he'd made the lyric change - not to "she," just to the usual "you" - to enable him to release "Fever". It was a true pop song, it was a fun song he could do a lot with (even without the Tommy tonsil hockey), and he could sing it! Maybe it was too closely identified with Gaga and he didn't want to encourage the whole Lord Gaga thing, I don't know. And I know it doesn't matter because that isn't what he did. But I still wonder... Valid "what ifs" that we likely will keep asking ourselves as long as we follow Adam's journey haha. I think it is reasonable to assume that the below Idol standards vocals during that FYE performance added to the shock value of a performance that nobody expected. After all, it was the first impression after Idol. Thankfully, Adam recovered with WWFM, an almost conciliatory song that people could relate to and get on board with. It was too vanilla for my personal taste, though I really like the music video, and to this day I still feel lukewarm about it. But it was a good pick to get Adam back on track. For me, Fever was love at first listen, similarly to SP now, and it screamed "single" when the FYE album came out, though I doubt that it would have had a chance after the AMAs, even with a pronoun change. Instead it became THE Glamnation theme song of sorts haha, and I think it would have been equally well received without the "extras". I think you wondering what would have happened if "Fever" had been released as a first single is right on. All speculations and revisiting history at this point. I guess its human nature to be curious. What if he clued in everyone on the direction he was going to take fye. I recall Adam saying he just came off the idol tour. And he felt his audience is evolving. He just witnessed Gaga smashing whiskey bottles. He got inspired. Lol I guess. Looking back the performance seems quite tame by today's standards. It seems tedious to bring up the ama discussion again. But with covid. It's nice to look back and reminisce somewhat. Like I said I recall watching it in 09. And going rock n roll! Kid has balls. I knew it would piss off conservative America. But boy he brought underground music to the mainstream. Referenced before. He stepped out of the idol bubble.
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Post by lurleene on Jul 28, 2020 22:30:34 GMT -5
Ha! I think we all have our favorites. So if I had to pick the first single, it would have been the song Adam co-wrote with Ryan Tedder. "Sleepwalker." But all of his tv performances of WWFM were exciting and just so good. He made the performances more rock like and sexy. At the end of the day, he was not going to be allowed to release his first one or two singles unless they were Dr. Luke's. I was so glad when he was no longer a factor. TBH, I was also glad when Adam broke from Max Martin. They seemed to work well for the ladies but they never really seemed to capture Adam and play to his enormous strengths, imo. I don't remember Adam co-writing "Sleepwalker". I just looked it up and the wiki doesn't have him as a co-writer. Thanks. you are right. still my favorite tho. But didn't Adam write something with Tedder? I remember Ryan giving an interview and saying Adam was a good writer when they wrote together. Maybe it was a song that didn't make the cut or when Adam changed direction that time. I think that happened with a Sia song that he co wrote too. I would really love the hear them after the fact, lol. That may have been the time he changed and went with Pharrell.
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