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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2013 14:59:06 GMT -5
Thanks again everyone for all your hard work collecting data, videos, articles, numbers.. mindboggling!!
Can someone enlighten me on this phase Adam has mentioned a few times now, about how having control is to surrender.
To me that is a contradictory idea.
What is he trying to control? I think I understand what he is trying to surrender.. his public image, his fans perception, his privacy?
Or is it something else?
And what is he trying to control? His career? His sanity?
It's all confusing to me.
To me surrender means to let go of control.
Help.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2013 15:11:14 GMT -5
Thanks again everyone for all your hard work collecting data, videos, articles, numbers.. mindboggling!! Can someone enlighten me on this phase Adam has mentioned a few times now, about how having control is to surrender. To me that is a contradictory idea. What is he trying to control? I think I understand what he is trying to surrender.. his public image, his fans perception, his privacy? Or is it something else? And what is he trying to control? His career? His sanity? It's all confusing to me. To me surrender means to let go of control. Help. My take on this is that Adam is trying to learn that things sometimes go more smoothly when you just let them happen, instead of trying to force it. It's good to control things we actually have control over -- for example, Adam has control over the quality of his stage show and his records. But when we try to plan, control, and micromanage everything -- that is an attempt to engineer a certain outcome. I think Adam is trying to say that he wants to see the bigger picture and that he can't if he spends all his energy fighting forces that are outside his control. My 2 cents. ETA: Surrender: The Most Misunderstood Aspect of Great Leadership |
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Post by jean1010 on Mar 7, 2013 15:17:27 GMT -5
I've been mulling over that surrender quote a bit too. I wonder if it could be his take on the ideas in the old adage "Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage......"
Probably not as unlike the man we stan, I am usually not very deep.
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Post by nonotme on Mar 7, 2013 15:22:13 GMT -5
Thanks again everyone for all your hard work collecting data, videos, articles, numbers.. mindboggling!! Can someone enlighten me on this phase Adam has mentioned a few times now, about how having control is to surrender. To me that is a contradictory idea. What is he trying to control? I think I understand what he is trying to surrender.. his public image, his fans perception, his privacy? Or is it something else? And what is he trying to control? His career? His sanity? It's all confusing to me. To me surrender means to let go of control. Help. By control I think he means being in charge of his own life, making decisions and moving ahead with purpose, rather than letting outside circumstances shape his direction too much. He also means controlling his public image and his career to the extent that he can. By surrender I think he means recognizing the areas where he does not have much control, and then working to make accommodations or find work-arounds rather than spending undue energy on futile attempts to change what he has no power to change. By surrendering in this way he actually regains some control as he does not waste energy in trying to control what is impossible for him to control, but does find ways to cope, make accommodations, problem solve, move forward. Surrender may also be the mental practice of not worrying about things one can not change or control. Also it can be applied to the practice of putting forth one's best effort without being overly attached to a particular outcome. Artists often have to focus on the effort, in this case the music and the performance, rather than on the response from critics or radio, or haters. peace&love I was typing while you guys were giving good answers! Sorry for any repeats... |
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Post by cassie on Mar 7, 2013 15:22:15 GMT -5
Thanks again everyone for all your hard work collecting data, videos, articles, numbers.. mindboggling!! Can someone enlighten me on this phase Adam has mentioned a few times now, about how having control is to surrender. To me that is a contradictory idea. What is he trying to control? I think I understand what he is trying to surrender.. his public image, his fans perception, his privacy? Or is it something else? And what is he trying to control? His career? His sanity? It's all confusing to me. To me surrender means to let go of control. Help. Oh, mystic Adam. Who knows what he means for sure. This is my take. Adam wants to take charge and steer his career. He wants number one singles, platinum albums, critical acclaim. Adam would like to control the media. Make them focus on his music, his artistry, his vision, rather than his eyeliner, nail polish and sexual orientation. Adam may even want to control his fandom. Have them enthusiastic without being stalkers. Have them support his projects but not go overboard deluging radio stations with requests. Have them not fight about Sauli vs Tommy vs. KA or whomever. The truth is, Adam cannot control those things. He can make incredible music, but he cannot ensure it will produce a series of number 1 top 40 hits. Hew can express his opinion about song promotion and singles choices to the label, but he cannot dictate what they choose to do. He can talk to the media about his music, but he cannot control what they choose to print or feature. He can ask fans to back off, to stop fighting, to be respectful with radio, but in the end, there are some serious crazies out there who will think, say and do what they want, regardless. I think what Adam is learning is accept the things he cannot control, cannot change. To stay true to himself first and foremost, and not worry so much about pleasing everyone or achieving a certain level of success as measured by chart positions, numbers, and public opinion. Perhaps Adam is learning a real life, secular version of the Serenity Prayer: God grant me the serenityto accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.Living one day at a time; enjoying one moment at a time; accepting hardships as the pathway to peace; taking, as He did, this sinful worldas it is, not as I would have it; ..... |
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Post by Craazyforadam on Mar 7, 2013 15:40:15 GMT -5
Thanks again everyone for all your hard work collecting data, videos, articles, numbers.. mindboggling!! Can someone enlighten me on this phase Adam has mentioned a few times now, about how having control is to surrender. To me that is a contradictory idea. What is he trying to control? I think I understand what he is trying to surrender.. his public image, his fans perception, his privacy? Or is it something else? And what is he trying to control? His career? His sanity? It's all confusing to me. To me surrender means to let go of control. Help. Yes, of course, surrender does entail letting go of control, but I don't think that any of the examples above apply as area where he wants or needs to let go of control. He made it very clear today that the tour continues to be his to control. And his public image, fan perception, come on...obviously those are his. The topic has until today mostly come up in context of the album writing process. And Adam said that meeting the demands of the business and keeping his own artistic integrity has been at times a difficult balancing act. Here is my interpretation of what I think it means - just speculation - of course: The winds have changed at RCA during that rather lengthy Trespassing production stage and I think he found out the hard way in that the encouragement that he had received during the early stages has not been followed through with support by the label at the back-end due to those changes. And while he was given Executive Producer role last time, I don't think that the new management is on that same page with that now. I don't expect Adam to have this anymore next time around. And not because he did anything wrong, but because the wind is coming from a different direction now. I think that Adam is dealing with these changed viewpoints in various ways and we are probably only seeing the few more public points of this. His soundbites of 'we are all one happy family' are gone and he now points openly to the struggle between business expectations and artistic integrity. I do think though that Adam is somebody who thinks positive at all times and tries to see the opportunities in any situation, and there always are some, even in a difficult times. So he tries to adjust. One adjustment he is making is to set different expectations with his fans and with the media. Adam deserves our full support in whatever decisions he is making to go forward and quite obviously, he is getting that. Adam's fan base is loyal and he knows it, so he is trying to manage that change in expectations with us too. We obviously already saw one result. No tour for Trespassing in US and other areas. I presume there will be a few more 'news' to swallow, as we go on. I already mentioned, no EP title for Adam is another one I expect to happen, perhaps he will also get to record some covers on his next album and not only new material. Who knows which direction his new work will go, we will have to see. But I am very positive, that Adam will find a way to make his music work in this new setting too. And I hope that he also finds a way to do it in such a way that it makes him happy too. That in the end is really important to me - for him. |
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Post by melliemom on Mar 7, 2013 15:44:25 GMT -5
I love this quote that I have on my fridge as a reminder..."I'm Responsible for the effort not the outcome" unknown
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Post by Craazyforadam on Mar 7, 2013 15:45:46 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2013 16:11:32 GMT -5
Fandom-related: Two Drug Busts Made the FBI Think "Insane Clown Posse" Fans Were A Gang ThreatQuote: “Insane Clown Posse can’t get its music on the radio,” the agent explained, “but claims to have 1 million devoted fans who call themselves ‘Juggalos’ or ‘Juggalettes,’ and sometimes paint their faces to look like wicked clowns. Some continue the dress by carrying small axes, like the cartoon hatchet man associated with the band.
... Seven months later, the FBI’s nationwide gang task force warned that, among other fears, “social networking websites are a popular conveyance for Juggalo sub-culture to communicate and expand.”
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Post by wal on Mar 7, 2013 16:14:57 GMT -5
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