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Post by dontshakemytree on Nov 26, 2013 13:41:50 GMT -5
I love the ginger in the hair, and it will go so well with the ginger Melvin which I also love. About the PCness of our current age, while at times it gets a little silly, it is a huge step forward from the time when it was open season on blacks, Jews, gays, etc presented in deriding ways as entertainment. Things have improved a lot in tolerance, and awareness of how we respect and treat our fellow humans. For example, it is a shock to watch the blatant sexism of the comic ladies man of a 1960s movie or hear Alec Baldwin use a gay slur. We are shocked because as a society we have become more tolerant and these things like those are no longer acceptable or funny. Maybe the stereotyping of Asian women has not reached the point were the majority recognizes it as racist, but it looks like it is on the way. Entertainment reflects our societal values, and what is considered OK changes as we continue our progress forward. Wanted to add that I love that Adam is sticking up for his friend Katy who has always said very lovely things about him. He is a good friend and a complete sweetheart. Speaking of Alec Baldwin, I just read 5 minutes ago that MSNBC has fired him from his talk show because of his most recent tirade and also because of his bad behavior towards people working on the show. What a waste.....I always thought he was a very gifted actor, especially in comedy. But THIS flaw in his personality is what everyone will remember....... Sad...... |
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Post by midwifespal on Nov 26, 2013 13:45:50 GMT -5
Don't worry, I am the only one who isn't on the same track as Adam here! But I'm not on the same track as Adam here. I think, ULTIMATELY, "PC-ness" does more good than harm and allows for more voices to be heard, not fewer. Bridget, logging in quickly to say you are not alone.  I also appreciated the article you mentioned earlier. I get where Adam is coming from, especially from an entertainment perspective, and and I think his "rant" was only set off by the KP thing, but was more general in nature (I have more sympathy to his stance on Miley-gate, and I think her performance the other night was a rather clever send-up of that overreaction). There's lots of course that could be said about KP's performance, but it's probably off topic. I do have to say, though, and this is maybe just a personal thing, but I always cringe a little when Adam uses the term PC dismissively (to be fair, here it was Andy Cohen using it--Adam just retweeted it). I think this may be one of those limited cases where the 2 1/2 years I have on Adam really do make a difference. But right around the time I was becoming actively politically aware, the American right wing was resurrecting this term to uses against late '80s early '90s American liberalism's effort to equalize some of our antiquated and bigoted language. Wiki gives a pretty good summary of this. The term "politically correct" represents a brilliant and tremendously successful PR effort by the right to trivialize very real efforts on the part of the center and the left to support multiculturalism and respect individual identities, reducing what was really a deeply important and progressive movement that included feminism and gay rights and civil rights in general into silly semantics. It wasn't. Words matter. And if you're bothered today by the language people still use to describe Adam, and think it matters when he is diminished to the most basic and stereotyped elements of his sexuality, then you are, I'm afraid, being the dreaded "PC." Anti-"PC"ism is also inherently anti-intellectual: it's the easiest way, as in today's KP case, to shut down and dismiss a more nuanced, thoughtful, complex response to an issue without having to actually respond to the argument. It's like dismissing a politician for liking arugula and not being someone you'd want to share a beer with, rather than actually addressing the issues. I, too, love pop-culture sometimes particularly for it's lack of depth. And I love that Adam doesn't take himself of his fellow performers too seriously. And I love, especially, that for Adam being open-minded means, first and foremost, going into every experience expecting to enjoy it, and giving it the benefit of the doubt. It's one of the traits that makes him so appreciative of his fellow artists, and so well liked by them in return. So no complaints here, really, about his "rant," which really wasn't very ranty at all. But pop-culture is meant to provoke discussion, and just because a performance is light-hearted and silly doesn't mean it can't also inspire some serious and intelligent thoughts. And I try to always respect good-faith seriousness. (sorry if, in the years it's taken me to write up this pretty shoddy response, other people have said the same thing more concisely and better!) |
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Post by murly on Nov 26, 2013 13:53:08 GMT -5
Political correctness can go too far--but sometimes what is politically correct is also morally and legally correct, and I hate it when someone is called on their racism or sexism and tries to dismiss it by saying sarcastically, "Oh, sorry! I guess I wasn't being politically correct!"
Intent matters a lot here. Obviously people are going to have different opinions on the intent of Julianne Hough's Halloween costume, or Katy Perry's Japanese-inspired performance. I don't see either case as an intent to mock another race. Others disagree. I like to see intelligent conversations about these matters with an effort to avoid name-calling or accusations.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 13:55:11 GMT -5
Adam Lambert ✔ @adamlambert
As a society, are we getting more and more hyper-sensitive to every little trivial thing? How are we so easily "offended" these days. #chillHow I love this tweet! I started on the last couple of pages and I see there are ~opinions brewing. Glad I read my tea leaves this morning..  The wisdom of Irish Breakfast tea...'page 8', it said. Knew something was up with that profound reading...  Only opinions I have is that Adam's muppet ROCKS! How much fun must these actors had goofing around with these muppets??? I mean, it's FUN people! Just good old fun. I thought Adam and Chris both brought their puppets to life. Adam, the Diva. SO well-done. I have watched that vid so many times...and....I like the 'Fox'.. think it's hilarious. This episode is for giggles. I'm having fun anyway. On the other side of the coin, who gave Adam a shaver????? ![]() Will he now shave his muppet and ginger it too? And such fine hair it has now. That is my question of the day. #savethemuppet #banshaversceptforfacialhair
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Post by restless on Nov 26, 2013 14:02:29 GMT -5
But the difference is ridiculing versus embracing a character! To get lost in another "person/identity".
Should I be offended at males that don women's clothing and pretend to be "women"? Actually I am hugely offended. I am offended because I believe there is an expectation that women look a certain way, wear specific garments, apply horrible products to their bodies.
But I tolerate it. And honestly, at times, I am entertained by it.
So I guess my husband and I were ignorant and clueless when we applied his black face. we not only offended blacks but a religious group! BAM.
Hiphop style permeated this culture a couple of decades ago. Fashion straight from the prison yards.
I am quite aware of black history.
Ok getting inappropriately off topic.
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Post by midwifespal on Nov 26, 2013 14:02:40 GMT -5
Political correctness can go too far--but sometimes what is politically correct is also morally and legally correct, and I hate it when someone is called on their racism or sexism and tries to dismiss it by saying sarcastically, "Oh, sorry! I guess I wasn't being politically correct!" Intent matters a lot here. Obviously people are going to have different opinions on the intent of Julianne Hough's Halloween costume, or Katy Perry's Japanese-inspired performance. I don't see either case as an intent to mock another race. Others disagree. I like to see intelligent conversations about these matters with an effort to avoid name-calling or accusations. I just want to respond to one thing here. I don't think one needs to see these things as intentionally mocking of another race, or even unintentionally mocking, to think of them as problematic. I totally agree that neither of these examples were meant to mock anyone. In a way, it was their very innocence that was the problem. Both Katy and Julianne Hough come across as pretty darn clueless to me. Part of the legacy, I think, of the success of the anti-PC movement, is that many people are raised under the illusion that there's no longer any racism, etc, in the country. That that's a historical problem, left in the past. And the result is the kind of ignorance that leads to Julianne Hough innocently painting her face brown and not meaning anything by it. I don't think that makes her a racist at all. I think what it makes her is ignorant of very real racism--of the legacy that we've inherited as a culture, and must now own. ETA: just by way of contrast, I think when, say, a drag queen knowingly dresses up as a woman and then performs a kind of parody of "queerness," that's a example of a way in which being conscious of what one is doing can totally change the meaning and make what seems like "mockery" actually be intelligent social commentary ETA2: just by way of apology, I think this is all totally up for discussion and I also think these examples are totally case by case and depend on both intent and execution, and I none of my comments were meant to be personal at all. Sorry if they came across that way, or sounded patronizing (which they probably did)! Ignorant was too strong a word to use, in any case, and didn't really capture what I meant. See, language matters . Problems of quick internet posting. I gotta run now, too, but I appreciate the discussion. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 14:07:27 GMT -5
LOL people were offended that Adam was painted green? were they pro-alien supporters? I mean seriously, who would be offended by someone painted green? That's hysterical and I wish I had seen this when it happened. Well, you have to think of poor Kermit.  |
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Post by 4Ms on Nov 26, 2013 14:08:00 GMT -5
LOL people were offended that Adam was painted green? were they pro-alien supporters? I mean seriously, who would be offended by someone painted green? That's hysterical and I wish I had seen this when it happened. I think a lot of Danny fans used the green Adam pic as an example of how out of the mainstream Adam was in RL. Not only is he green, but you can clearly see the nipple piercings. Both the 2005 Wicked touring cast and the 2007-2008 LA sitdown company performed for charity events. (I believe it's common practice for theater casts.) Anyway, green Adam is from such a charity event. You can see the stage over his shoulder.  |
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Post by Q3 on Nov 26, 2013 14:19:22 GMT -5
LOL people were offended that Adam was painted green? were they pro-alien supporters? I mean seriously, who would be offended by someone painted green? That's hysterical and I wish I had seen this when it happened. It was during the Idol competition and very nasty. Easier to laugh about now but it was not funny in 2009. And it happened in a mean way. Here is a recap from MTV from June 2009: www.mtv.com/news/articles/1614363/lambert-gokey-fans-clash-over-facebook-pics.jhtml It is pretty accurate. >> BTW let's not rehash Gokeygate -- we have moved so far beyond this now -- but it is interesting to think that the Brad-Adam kissing photo blew up Twitter. No one would care anymore. Well unless it was Tom Cruz or someone subject to massive speculation for years. |
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Post by melliemom on Nov 26, 2013 14:19:56 GMT -5
I watched the Katie segment at the AMAs... Having lived in Japan many a moons ago,I thought the set was a lovely compliment to the beauty that is Japan.As far as Katie's performance ,beside the lousy sound ,I didn't see any signs of disrespect at all,really the opposite.
I think If members of the Japanese community were offended they would say so.
As far as what Adam expressed ,I understand that to be an artist you have to have the ability to express yourself.. and yes there will be those who love your art,those who don't and the folks who just don't care one way or another.
IMHO Adam gave his opinion to start a discussion,he does that quite often.. He is a smart ,well read, intellectual kind of guy ,so who would expect anything less of him. He is also passionate about people he likes and seems to dislike what he sees as folks ganging up on fellow artists,who try to be different or creative.
There is no right or wrong just opinions.. sometimes"imitation is the greatest form of flattery" Where does the imitators heart lie?
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I also appreciated the article you mentioned earlier.
The wisdom of Irish Breakfast tea...'page 8', it said. Knew something was up
