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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2011 11:50:48 GMT -5
Amen, Cassie.....I love it when you preach !!  Greece, Paris, Carnegie Hall, Radio City.....I'm good to go !!! If Q3 can work it out......I would pay lots extra to be one of those fans like Elvis had sitting adoringly at his feet in his comeback special.  Or, if we're thinking intimate, how about a private Atop event...100 peeps @$1,000 or 200 @$500? etc. Didn't we have a member who posted a while back that she does planning for this type of thing? Is it feasible, is it doable? IDK.... Hey Universe, watcha think? I have an acquaintance that books for a No. CA casino. She books mostly Country acts but guessed that Adam's fee, for a private event, would be around $150,000. I could do 200 people in my backyard!! ;D |
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Post by adamfanem on Apr 10, 2011 11:52:49 GMT -5
Another excellent Sunday OP!
Q3: I think that is a fantastic idea for a roll out of Adam #2! No other artist is doing that, or can do that live, and so would REALLY get a lot of buzzzzzzzzz...
Jezz, they just need to hire you for marketing ideas.
NoAngel: totally agree with your post and couldn't have said it better! Adam just leads by example and in the end, that will rule the day:-)
ETA: Anyone think Adam will be at the Glaad awards today. Haven't really heard any buzzz in that department?
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Post by LindaG23 on Apr 10, 2011 11:58:27 GMT -5
Amen, Cassie.....I love it when you preach !! Greece, Paris, Carnegie Hall, Radio City.....I'm good to go !!! If Q3 can work it out......I would pay lots extra to be one of those fans like Elvis had sitting adoringly at his feet in his comeback special. Or, if we're thinking intimate, how about a private Atop event...100 peeps @$1,000 or 200 @$500? etc. Didn't we have a member who posted a while back that she does planning for this type of thing? Is it feasible, is it doable? IDK.... Hey Universe, watcha think? I have an acquaintance that books for a No. CA casino. She books mostly Country acts but guessed that Adam's fee, for a private event, would be around $150,000. I could do 200 people in my backyard!! ;D Sign me up! Just tell me where, when, and who to make the check out to.  |
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Post by LindaG23 on Apr 10, 2011 12:07:48 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be fun to invite and fly in all his family and friends. To meet all the people who are important in his life and talk to them. And not just about Adam but all the issues and thoughts we discuss as a result of our Adam stanning. I, for one, would love to talk to Leila about how her life has changed and so much else.
It could be acoustic music, then party, then finish it off (since we would all have had a few drinks by that time) with full band and rocking out. We would then send the guests off in a limo while we stay and squee and pass out on mys*&@^#r's lawn. I will bring pillows.
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Post by midwifespal on Apr 10, 2011 12:10:21 GMT -5
Q3: Sell it, Girl! All of you, thanks for the pretty: I always enjoy a good walk down Adam-on-Idol memory lane, especially on a sunny Sunday morning.
NoAngel: I'm am as ever impressed with your Sunday morning editorial. You weave back and forth between humorous and serious columns like a natural, and every week its relevant, thoughtful, and intelligent. Hats off to you--it's not easy to do, but (like another dude we know) you make it look easy. I was very interested in your column today, and totally understand what you're saying about Jacob and Adam--it seems a very fair assessment, and I particularly like what you said about how Adam took responsibility for his performance, and for the job of the performance: to win over viewers. However (and BIG disclaimer here--the only Idol episode I've watched all season has been the one Adam was on, and I'm not a regular Idol viewer in anyway, aside from Season 8, for some reason, but I've been following it loosely through you guys): I want to stand up in defense of Jacob here (not that you attacked him--what you did was far too reasonable for an attack). The impression I got from his comments was that he was talking about one specific thing: American's voting patterns this season with respect to race. I know nothing about the semi-final rounds, but lets look at the finals for a second. Contestants were voted off in the following order: Ashthon Jones (an African-American woman), Karen Rodriguez (a Latino woman), Thia Megia (of Philippino descent), and Naima Adedapo (another African-American woman). Not a single white contestant in the mix. If Jacob had been voted off, that would have made a "clean-sweep"--every person of color on the show voted off, one after the other, leaving only white contestants. You can say what you like about who deserved it, etc., and I'm sure you'd be right, but that would have been a pretty fucking striking pattern, a pretty damn embarrassing one for this country, and I'm with Jacob--it would have indicated that it's high past time for voters to look themselves in the mirror. I don't think for a second that Jacob was just talking about himself here, feeling the victim--I think in his mind was every single on of his fellow contestants of color who had been voted off (exclusively) before him. You gotta believe they talk about that shit back-stage. (I think it needed to be said, and btw, for Jacob to have said it after he got voted off, rather than before, would have seemed like sour grapes, and gotten him even more grief.) If Adam had been voted off the week those pictures came out, that would have been striking and disgusting as well, but it would have been one instance (in the life of the show) not a pattern (although it would, obviously, have been participating in an ugly pattern of homophobia in our culture in general). I would have been furious, but I don't give a damn about Jacob or the other contestants this season, and I would have been pretty furious if that pattern had been completed here, too. But then we get back to your point, of course, that Adam averted that by owning his performance, and putting his all into it, and proving his point on that stage, rather than behind it, and Jacob didn't do himself any favors at all with his comments (and apparently didn't back it up with a killer performance), you're perfectly right. It's always easier to rail against prejudice when you have extraordinary talent on your side. (On the other hand, I believe Adam was probably held to a higher standard than the other contestants because of his minority status--he just had the goods to match it; Jacob just wants to be held to the same standard as everyone else--he shouldn't have to be adam-tastic if nobody else is.) One other comment about Jacob, and then I'll shut up: you're right that what Adam did took wonderful courage, but I think what Jacob did takes a whole lotta courage as well. To speak out, for everyone to hear, against a perceived in justice is sometimes even hard than acting out against it, because you know what the response will be: defensiveness. A few people have used the phrase "playing the victim," and I totally understand what you're saying with that, and I don't mean to call anyone out. There are many instances, such as the one Cassie described in her educational experience, where this "victimhood" really does seem self-damning and counterproductive. But I'm very wary of that phrase as it's applied to minorities (and the poor) in this country. IMO these underprivileged groups aren't really playing at anything, they ARE victims, they are victimized by history and by the rest of our culture, and they don't need to do anything special to earn that distinction. There is simply no hiding from the fact that, as you, NoAngel, of course readily agree, this is an unequal country. We have a powerful myth in America: the myth of the individual and his self-determination, of equality of opportunity--that if each of us just tries our hardest we can be anything we want to be and do anything we want to do. But as Adam's experiences in Hollywood in the decade leading up to his radical decision to go on Idol prove, the playing field is not level, no matter the talent involved. Adam took big steps, and when they didn't work out for him he said fuck-it, and took an even greater leap. Good for him. Great for us. But I'll be looking in Jacob's mirror until those giant leaps are no longer necessities for some. And I'm actually totally impressed with Jacob for calling us on it, and on the striking, and not in a good way, voting record on Idol this year. (One thing to note: if, as may well be, contestants have thus far been voted off in exactly the correct order according to their abilities, and they just happen to have been all the minorities on that stage, then the onus falls on the judges: I simply cannot believe that they were incapable of finding minority contestants who were better than that.)  "HE'S NOTHING LIKE A DAME!" LOL, I can't help imagining Sauli singing this as he moves those hands:  ! golly this post is long 
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Post by littledarkangelpf on Apr 10, 2011 12:10:53 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be fun to invite and fly in all his family and friends. To meet all the people who are important in his life and talk to them. And not just about Adam but all the issues and thoughts we discuss as a result of our Adam stanning. I, for one, would love to talk to Leila about how her life has changed and so much else. It could be acoustic music, then party, then finish it off (since we would all have had a few drinks by that time) with full band and rocking out. We would then send the guests off in a limo while we stay and squee and pass out on mys*&@^#r's lawn. I will bring pillows. 8-) ^^^This^^^^ I would love to meet Cheeks and Cassidy! |
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Post by PostFestumPF on Apr 10, 2011 12:11:38 GMT -5
Adam is remarkable in so many ways (obviously, or we wouldn't all be glued to Adamtopia for hours every day), but NoAngel's post today got me thinking about his approach to life; his relentless positive attitude, and his courage to own his own life choices rather than play the victim. What an example when our society loves to play the victim card, and many people avoid accepting responsibility for their actions. Jacob's statement was a perfect example. I encounter that same attitude from many students. If they earn a bad grade on a project (note the word EARN, not "if I GIVE them a bad grade), they make excuses that I was not clear in my instructions and expectations, they were improperly taught or coached previously, their computer was not working properly, and they had other demands on their time and attention and I was not understanding that they had a life beyond school. The excuse that pisses me off the most is probably, "My friends all say I sign very well, and they understand me just fine. Then, you pick it apart. It's not fair. You are not grading me fairly." They defend their poor work by blaming others, blaming circumstances, or blaming me --- the person they signed up for because they wanted to improve their performance and become a professional. The person with 30 years of experience and a national reputation. Contrast that with Adam, who would never let on if he was under the weather, under pressure, preoccupied with other stresses, bored, insulted, or tired and just craved some time off. Adam, who is the first to admit when his performances are not up to his own exacting standards --- did ANYONE besides him think that his BorW performance was not very good? We all love Adam's relentless positive attitude. Sometimes we are guilty of thinking, "He is BLESSED with a positive attitude." Or, "He is blessed with a supportive family." Or, "He is so lucky to be in his position, and see all his dreams come true." Or, "He is blessed with a natural talent." In reality, Adam has always had battles to fight, as we all do. He has always worked tirelessly for the opportunities he has made for himself. He meets just as many asshats every day as all the rest of us. He gets sick, he gets tired, he beats his head against walls, he gets his heart broken, he gets disrespected and maligned unfairly, just like everyone else. He CHOOSES to maintain a positive attitude of gratitude. He CHOOSES to find the positive in people and circumstances. He CHOOSES to speak words of encouragement and appreciation. He CHOOSES to be non-judgmental of other performers and to find joy in their work. He CHOOSES to be collaborative instead of egocentric. He CHOOSES to look forward with excitement, not backwards with regret. He CHOOSES to learn from experience and incorporate it into his art. We sell him short if we don't recognize that Adam is who he is due to his will and his choices, not due to his circumstances and luck. I know. I know. I am preaching to the choir, but, hey, it is Sunday. I am choosing to think about why Adam is such an unusual and remarkable human being. ILHSFM.   Cassie, I love your way of expressing things and agree with you 100 %. The positive outlook Adam has towards his life/universe IS by choice, and that what makes it so great. We cannot change others, only ourselves, so I choose to be positive in my life. Life is great when you have so many like-minded and intelligent friends all over the world. |
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Post by murly on Apr 10, 2011 12:11:46 GMT -5
Beautifully said, cassie. Adam has made so many of his own "blessings." He obviously had to have been born with the right physical structure in his throat to have a good voice, but he trained that voice so that it went beyond "good" to spectacular. Even his good looks were only partly a product of genetics. He takes none of it for granted; he is grateful and humble and always makes a point of thanking others for their contribution to his success, whether it's his parents or his vocal coach or the American Idol band. He really does set a beautiful example for us all.
I think that positivity is one of the forces that brought Adam and Sauli together. There was an interview with Sauli with subtitles that someone posted a few days ago, and he seemed to have a similar attitude. Why be gloomy when you can be happy? Why frown when you can smile? Adam and Sauli seem to be soulmates in that regard.
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Post by gelly14 on Apr 10, 2011 12:17:06 GMT -5
postfestumpf  from me also  cassie thank you
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Post by gelly14 on Apr 10, 2011 12:20:00 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be fun to invite and fly in all his family and friends. To meet all the people who are important in his life and talk to them. And not just about Adam but all the issues and thoughts we discuss as a result of our Adam stanning. I, for one, would love to talk to Leila about how her life has changed and so much else. It could be acoustic music, then party, then finish it off (since we would all have had a few drinks by that time) with full band and rocking out. We would then send the guests off in a limo while we stay and squee and pass out on mys*&@^#r's lawn. I will bring pillows. 8-)  Just give me a two weeks notice 8-) |
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