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Post by sizzling63 on Oct 24, 2015 17:32:39 GMT -5
The facts do not support your statement that "the US market simply doesn't get it." Check the numbers from the GNT Tour -- Adam generated more revenue in the US than anywhere else. And since then, although there has been no formal US tour, there have been a number of large, mostly sold-out concerts here. The US is the largest revenue market (US$6 billion) and most complicated in the world. You can get one promoter, book 6 concerts and you have a Australia tour, one promoter and 5 concerts and you have a Japan tour. A US tour can easily be 50+ dates and dozens of promoters plus a master promoter. And every concert date has least four players are involved: artists, a promoter, a ticket-seller and a venue. Managing a tour is a huge commitment. I understand your points. He did over 100 venues for GNT and filled them, but they were relatively small venues, not arenas. In a perfect world where listeners reward sheer voice, stage presence and talent, he should be filling arenas. But it's more complicated than that, as we all know. I know the other countries' markets are smaller and they have fewer venues to fill on a tour. Adam is doing so well in so many international markets. Yes, the US is the biggest dog in the game. He has loyal, loving fans here. And his most recent singles are doing very well here. (ALN yet to be released officially). I hope and pray that he can put together a real US tour next year on the heels of the January shows (which hopefully will expand into Europe.) We all want the same thing. A high-profile, well-crafted show that can fill the bigger venues in the US. Lord knows he works hard enough for it. Wish American talk TV would pick him up a little more. He's a gem. Food for thought here: I checked the ticket sales for the Phoenix and San Diego holiday shows. Still a good number of tix left. Not sure about all the other pre-holiday shows. |
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Oct 24, 2015 17:34:13 GMT -5
Okay don't shoot the messenger, but based upon yesterday's news about Demi, I have a question. Do we think that Adam will not be able to do a TOH tour in the US due to costs, and possible lack of income from this album, so that for him to tour, he must hook up with some other pop star?? Typically we would have had dates by now for next year. I know that many artists are doing double billing for business reasons, and it appears to the best money-making option for them. I feel horrible asking this question, but any thoughts??? Seems like a fine question to me. Many artists co-tour. Many artist tour as supporting acts. Regarding Adam, he can tour in the US -- but the question is how does he tour and how big are the venues. Regarding 2016 tour announcements -- there is plenty of time to announce a Summer 2016 tour. The Demi deal probably fell apart several weeks ago. I am sure that work is already underway for whatever Adam does next. *** Just my guess -- because the music business revenue and cost streams are too complicated to figure out right by looking at sales: - Adam is a smart business man, who has a very, very smart team. He would not fund his own tour, promoters would fund it. So the royalties and sales do not matter that much. - I think Adam can tour in the US as a headline artist but only in mid-sized venues, not arenas. So my answer is Yes and No. It depends on where he wants to tour. - If Adam supported the Demi Lovato tour, it would have been is arenas and amphitheaters. Financially, this would make sense. They share expenses, share revenue. Even though I think this was not a great idea as an Adam fan, it would make sense to promoters and minimize risk. - If Adam was willing to co-tour with Demi, that means he is receptive to co-touring. I would rather see him tour with an Adult Pop artist and/or an Electro-Pop artist. *** If Adam co-tours, all I want is for it to be a real co-tour and not Adam support some other tour. Q3, who is on your list of acts that it would make good business sense, and good fan sense, for Adam to co-headline with, or even open for? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2015 17:36:41 GMT -5
graciejane, here's a more recent one: and here is one of Adam ( know, I'm very prejudiced, and really not trying to compare Demi and Adam. But these isolated vocals are really interesting to me): Thanks for the link. To me and my totally untrained ear, overall she sounds better here even with the couple of obvious cracks. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2015 17:42:52 GMT -5
I understand your points. He did over 100 venues for GNT and filled them, but they were relatively small venues, not arenas. In a perfect world where listeners reward sheer voice, stage presence and talent, he should be filling arenas. But it's more complicated than that, as we all know. I know the other countries' markets are smaller and they have fewer venues to fill on a tour. Adam is doing so well in so many international markets. Yes, the US is the biggest dog in the game. He has loyal, loving fans here. And his most recent singles are doing very well here. (ALN yet to be released officially). I hope and pray that he can put together a real US tour next year on the heels of the January shows (which hopefully will expand into Europe.) We all want the same thing. A high-profile, well-crafted show that can fill the bigger venues in the US. Lord knows he works hard enough for it. Wish American talk TV would pick him up a little more. He's a gem. Food for thought here: I checked the ticket sales for the Phoenix and San Diego holiday shows. Still a good number of tix left. Not sure about all the other pre-holiday shows. Neither of those shows are Adam Lambert shows. He isn't even the headliner for San Diego! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2015 17:53:22 GMT -5
I doubt there is any additional meaning behind his Tweet. Tours don't just just organize in a week, so whenever the negotiations fell through, it would have had to have been a while back. He hasn't given any indication of being upset with her in the past, so why would he be starting something now. Just doesn't make sense to be honest.  Love this whole post. Hermeticallysealed does it again! |
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Post by pi on Oct 24, 2015 17:59:18 GMT -5
There were a number of large audiences in the US --- no not arenas but big venues were in there too. He played a lot of smaller venues outside of the US too. He has never done a solo arena tour -- US or overseas.Didn't he do a really large venue in South Africa? I remember that it was so large that people further back had a hard time seeing him because there were no large screens there. What size venue was that? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2015 18:07:30 GMT -5
All I can tell myself is that Adam will be so busy until the end of January, it makes my head spin. I'm going to take it all in and let the future scheduling happen as it happens. It's not like he doesn't have a team of mega-pros looking into touring possibilities. I'd love to see Adam tour and I think he will. Until then, he has a boatload of performances coming up. And some of you get to see him live! No sense flinging too far out in the future when all this amazingness is right in front of us now. Hope Adam has fun tonite at Markus' party. Serious..Adam needs a break. Cut loose. 'gonna have a good time'...  He'll be back on the road before he can say..5 Hour Energy Drinks.  |
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Post by bamafan on Oct 24, 2015 18:12:33 GMT -5
TMZ online has a new article. They attributed his Selena Gomez tweet to Demi. Looks like they overlooked a bigger story to speculate and exaggerate. In case you don't want to give them any hits. Adam Lambert is cool as a cucumber on the outside, saying he's got no beef with Demi Lovato after she dumped him from her world tour for Nick Jonas. Lambert took to Twitter Saturday, saying, "No beef tween Demi & Nick and me. Biz negotiations are complex- why do we care about the rumors?" However, a source close to Adam tells TMZ the singer was very disappointed he was dropped and his people are PISSED. Adam also tweeted out a Demi song he was listening to with the caption, "I love this track." TMZ broke the story ... Lambert was set to hit the road with Demi during her upcoming world tour but she gave him the ax last minute for Nick Jonas. Read more: www.tmz.com/2015/10/24/demi-lovato-adam-lambert-nick-jonas-no-beef-world-tour/#ixzz3pWuQSSJR |
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Post by cassie on Oct 24, 2015 18:14:07 GMT -5
graciejane, here's a more recent one: and here is one of Adam ( know, I'm very prejudiced, and really not trying to compare Demi and Adam. But these isolated vocals are really interesting to me): Thanks for the link. To me and my totally untrained ear, overall she sounds better here even with the couple of obvious cracks. She has dropped that breathy, little girl sound I heard in the first video. That's a plus. She is now using vibrato as well, making a more mature sound. And I hear more resonance in her tone. But the woman is shredding her voice! Painfully so. It is cracking all over the place. That is usually from already bruising or inflaming the vocal cords, and then pushing even harder to hit the notes. It is a husky sound that Adele made wildly popular in her previous hit album, but, then, she blew out her voice, didn't she? If you are thinking of going to see her on her world tour, better get tickets to one of the earlier performances. If she is still singing like this, she won't make it through the tour. |
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Post by mszue on Oct 24, 2015 18:20:02 GMT -5
Mszue and sandysva, my unqualified apologies to both of you. My fault for not reading more carefully. I sometimes find that I am reacting to the gist of a number of posts and then when I don't read carefully, I mis-read according to my thought and not the actual content. Thank you my friend, see you Wednesday! And thank you LindaG23...I just got home after running about all day so did not see your gracious reply et al. Big hugs... |
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