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Post by Jablea on Jun 30, 2018 11:27:24 GMT -5
His voice works really well with the complex, grand rock anthems and arena rock songs. Yet some of the diehard rock fans complain that Adam's voice is too clear, too "polished" for rock songs. I do sometimes wonder if Adam would have had a place in the opera world, his voice is well suited for it, but Adam as a person- can't see him there. He has to have the stage to himself. Just has to. He didn't belong in a chorus in musicals singing a few solo's here & there. And to have even lead roles in operas would not be enough since they too do a few areas and share the stage with others. He did learn how to blend in and is really good at that but it got boring for him. Adam doesn't belong anywhere specific but with someone extraordinary like Queen, who themselves didn't really fit in anywhere, certainly not among other "proper" rock bands marionm you wrote once that Adam has to create something his own like no one else, I think so too. Can't wait to hear the new music. He said it would be more like FYE, love the diversity on that album. When Adam came on Idol and Paula said she didn't understand why he hadn't been a star for years already I knew it was because he'd never been on a big enough stage. Idol was the right size stage to start his transformation, and the FYE tour was a sweet spot. It's going to be hard to beat Queen for size unless he figures out how to form a super group and all of his friends seem to be dancers instead of musicians. I don't know that he can do arenas by himself. He needs breaks to rest his voice, towell off, etc. He can do that w/Queen and he found some time in TP tour when the backup singers took over but he needs a two hour spectacle for arenas and that's hard when he sings theatrically. And Simon was right, he is theatrical. |
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Post by happy on Jun 30, 2018 13:02:30 GMT -5
Angelina has told me for years that Adam could be world famous, at the top of the field if he had chosen to pursue a career in opera. But Adam does not like opera music. So I'm guessing that Angelina thinks Adam could project his voice without the use of a microphone. He does seem to have the lung power and I suppose there are techniques that people learn to do that. People can have late starts to an opera career. The opera world can be very snobby, but I'm pretty sure a wonderful voice would win any skeptics over. I've been told that there are opera singers who really don't like the music that much, but have a voice that has propelled them to that career. |
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Post by stardust on Jun 30, 2018 14:05:19 GMT -5
Just my opinion, so don't jump on me,okay. I don't think Adam's voice is made for pop music. I have read quite a lot about how current pop music is designed and manufactured, and it is meant to be simple, imitative, with limited range and melodic complexity, and easy to sing along with. Adam is capable of dumbing down his voice to match the sounds of today's pop, but, as has been said before, it is like taking a Ferrari to the Piggly Wiggly store behind an old lady driving her Ford Pinto. Or like a thoroughbred racehorse giving pony rides at the carnival. Having a Ferrari's power inside his body, it would be both frustrating and boring not to use it, no matter how big a hit the song might become. Adam may WANT to be a pop singer, but that is not what his voice is naturally suited for. Queen has some of the most difficult and complex songs in the rock world, and Adam can sing any/all of them flawlessly. Now that he has them comfortably sitting in his body, he may even be starting to feel restless, wanting a greater vocal challenge. The truth is that Adam's voice is much more suited for classical music: opera, operetta, art song, oratorios and the like. That music is written for a voice like Adam's. Pop is not. And, if Adam finds a pop composer who writes for his voice, it will probably not appeal to the mass of pop consumers. Of course, there are some discerning, wise listeners like us who appreciate the sound, power, clarity, purity, and technique of Adam's voice, no matter what he is singing. He makes everything sound better. Adam can be successful singing many different styles. But a superstar singing today's pop and top 40? I don't see it happening. IMHO. YMMV. I agree with you about this. I am happy to hear that he is going to do some different music. I'm sure it will be good!! |
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Post by nightowl on Jun 30, 2018 14:14:46 GMT -5
Adam can sing whatever he wants. But I for one don’t like opera music. Thankfully Adam seems to feel similarly and doesn’t seem to feel the need to persue a career in that genre. If he did, I would still like him. But I wouldn’t listen to his music. Not my thing. Sorry. (and I did learn lot about opera in school, so I know that genre).
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Post by happy on Jun 30, 2018 14:47:29 GMT -5
Adam can sing whatever he wants. But I for one don’t like opera music. Thankfully Adam seems to feel similarly and doesn’t seem to feel the need to persue a career in that genre. If he did, I would still like him. But I wouldn’t listen to his music. Not my thing. Sorry. (and I did learn lot about opera in school, so I know that genre). Not really my thing either. Just read your comment, popped over to the next thread and saw it's your birthday. Happy Birthday and many happy returns! |
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Post by nightowl on Jun 30, 2018 15:26:37 GMT -5
Adam can sing whatever he wants. But I for one don’t like opera music. Thankfully Adam seems to feel similarly and doesn’t seem to feel the need to persue a career in that genre. If he did, I would still like him. But I wouldn’t listen to his music. Not my thing. Sorry. (and I did learn lot about opera in school, so I know that genre). Not really my thing either. Just read your comment, popped over to the next thread and saw it's your birthday. Happy Birthday and many happy returns! Thank you! |
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Post by cassie on Jun 30, 2018 15:37:19 GMT -5
Angelina has told me for years that Adam could be world famous, at the top of the field if he had chosen to pursue a career in opera. But Adam does not like opera music. So I'm guessing that Angelina thinks Adam could project his voice without the use of a microphone. He does seem to have the lung power and I suppose there are techniques that people learn to do that. People can have late starts to an opera career. The opera world can be very snobby, but I'm pretty sure a wonderful voice would win any skeptics over. I've been told that there are opera singers who really don't like the music that much, but have a voice that has propelled them to that career. Adam has a powerful voice, but projection is usually all about the resonance of the voice. And Adam has that in spades! He also learned to project in musical theater, as many productions did not use mics for their singers in the past. (Most do, now, I know.) I know that Adam studied opera for a while as a teenager, and I would bet his teacher recommended Adam seek a career in the field. But, Adam doesn't care for the genre. I haven't ever heard of him attending an opera, or any classical music concert. So, you can feel safe that album number 4 is not going to contain any arias. |
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Post by happy on Jun 30, 2018 15:56:35 GMT -5
I know that Adam studied opera for a while as a teenager, and I would bet his teacher recommended Adam seek a career in the field. But, Adam doesn't care for the genre. I haven't ever heard of him attending an opera, or any classical music concert. So, you can feel safe that album number 4 is not going to contain any arias. Yup, wasn't expecting an aria! I would love an album of the old standards one day somewhere in the future. Lady Gaga and Tony Bennett did it, maybe Adam will too. |
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Post by sizzling63 on Jun 30, 2018 16:28:44 GMT -5
His voice works really well with the complex, grand rock anthems and arena rock songs. Yet some of the diehard rock fans complain that Adam's voice is too clear, too "polished" for rock songs. I do sometimes wonder if Adam would have had a place in the opera world, his voice is well suited for it, but Adam as a person- can't see him there. He has to have the stage to himself. Just has to. He didn't belong in a chorus in musicals singing a few solo's here & there. And to have even lead roles in operas would not be enough since they too do a few areas and share the stage with others. He did learn how to blend in and is really good at that but it got boring for him. Adam doesn't belong anywhere specific but with someone extraordinary like Queen, who themselves didn't really fit in anywhere, certainly not among other "proper" rock bands marionm you wrote once that Adam has to create something his own like no one else, I think so too. Can't wait to hear the new music. He said it would be more like FYE, love the diversity on that album. When Adam came on Idol and Paula said she didn't understand why he hadn't been a star for years already I knew it was because he'd never been on a big enough stage. Idol was the right size stage to start his transformation, and the FYE tour was a sweet spot. It's going to be hard to beat Queen for size unless he figures out how to form a super group and all of his friends seem to be dancers instead of musicians. I don't know that he can do arenas by himself. He needs breaks to rest his voice, towell off, etc. He can do that w/Queen and he found some time in TP tour when the backup singers took over but he needs a two hour spectacle for arenas and that's hard when he sings theatrically. And Simon was right, he is theatrical.Adam is a theatrical performer with a one in a billion voice, and I firmly believe that there is a solid place for him in pop music if he fully honors his uniqueness. Sometimes I have to go back to where it all started and ask myself what it exactly was that captivated and enthralled so many of us immediately. For me, it was Adam the person, his swagger, his vocal capabilities and how he was able to emote with his voice. He floored us with rock star moments, he melted our hearts with tender ballads, and he shocked us a little. He performed lots of different genres on Idol with a variety of really good songs that he picked wisely, and now he excels with the Queen collaboration and shows us that he needs good songs that highlight his strengths and let him shine. I strongly believe it can be done with his own music while keeping it current, and thankfully he seems to realize by now that being a "follower" is not doing him any good. Thing is, Adam has had a number of good songs, but especially with Trespassing the wrong ones were promoted. |
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Post by 3ku1 on Jun 30, 2018 21:22:32 GMT -5
He had a #1 album because his core fans made it happen. After that it went nowhere. Sad to say radio didn't care. Both singles from Trespassing got radio airplay -- at least in the US and Canada. I do not have the bandwidth to lookup the rest of the world but I recall they went nowhere in the UK which is typical for non-UK artists -- only the biggest mainstream adult pop hits from outside the UK get airplay.
BTIKM - peaked at #18 on adult pop radio
NCOE - hit #35 on adult pop radio
These songs were not hits because neither is a great song. Both were rejected by many other artists and RCA AR bought them and shoved them on the album. One (BTIKM) was purchased with an agreement that it would be the lead single. I was never able to find out what the deal was for NCOE but the track was shopped to other artists with the provision that there be a guarantee it would be promoted as a single. My guess is that both deals were made with single release and promotion guarantees.
This is very common in the music business -- for example FYE was originally written for Britney Spears and they did not even change the key for Adam. I love this song and video but it was a massive error in positioning Adam for mainstream success. Adam has said he wanted this to be the first single so he would have it to perform on the AMAs.
I do not believe that the AMAs had much to do with Adam's career in 2012 -- it was 3 years later and he already had WWFM, a top 10 hit -- higher on adult pop.
US Billboard Hot 100 [radio + sales]
US Adult Contemporary (Billboard) 10 [AC radio airplay]
US Adult Top 40 (Billboard) 2 [HAC radio airplay]
US Mainstream Top 40 (Billboard) 12 [Top 40 radio airplay]
With those numbers on radio immediately after the AMA's, it does not support the idea that the AMA's affected Adam's airplay.
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Also, Ghost Town, got meaningful radio airplay:
US Adult Top 40 (Billboard) 17 [HAC radio airplay]
US Mainstream Top 40 (Billboard)[58] 20 [Top 40 radio airplay]
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IF Adam has the right song, with the right production and genre mix, he will get airplay in a lot of markets. It just can't be another second rate song like BTIKM. []
TBH I think it was because of the AMAS. He got a Ton of Radio Play with WWFM. It became a monster HAC Hit. So I agree I think with all the attention he got. Combined with becoming an overnight superstar over night. And WWFM was a quality song. Perfect storm. I think his past two albums. Unfortunatley Adam has picked medicore other than GT. Songs as singles. FYE I agree prob positioned him in the wrong way, in the mainstream market. So I agree if Adam has the right song. He well get airplay in a lot of markets. Adam did say he wanted Cuckoo as the lead single. So clear creative differences their. |
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