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Post by Q3 on Jan 23, 2016 23:08:28 GMT -5
Do we know for sure that Adam would have been opening for Demi? I thought it was just speculation. Totally speculation as to what the arrangement would have been. I am still of the mind that the exposure during the advertisement period and during the actual shows would have increased the value of the deal well beyond any speculated monetary differences. He desparately needs a larger, youth oriented fan base IMO, this tour debacle wasI a huge loss to him in relation to making strides to break big in the US market. But what is done is done, he and his team is moving forward and doing what they can to keep him visible in the US. We know there was a deal that fell apart from Adam's tweet. We know that Nick Jonas is opening for Demi and he replaced Adam. TMZ reported that Adam had a deal to open for Demi. There is absolutely no doubt that it is Demi's Tour. If it was a "co-tour," she could not have replaced him. It does not matter what you call it, Adam would have been on Demi's Tour. ETA: Christina Perri and MKTO opened for Demi in 2014 -- and I was at several concerts (work related) -- the Demi fans mostly talked or left for the opening acts. MKTO was not well known in the US but Christina Perri had two albums (both BB200 #4), some hits and Top 40/HAC radio airplay. The tour did nothing for either of them. **** I disagree about the "ad value" of the Demi tour promo because I am not sure how Adam would have monetized it. It does not appear to be doing anything for Nick Jonas. I also do not think Adam "desperately" needs anything. Finally, as far as exposure to a broad audience goes, I think the best thing for Adam is exactly what they are doing -- a high-profile TV role that suits him.
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Post by theosgma on Jan 23, 2016 23:11:59 GMT -5
well, he's not being exposed to any new fans like he wanted but I'm sure he's happy that you're happy I'm not JMHO Demi's tween fans and their dads (who come with them) are not likely to become Adam fans. Many artists open for other artists in an attempt to gain new fans -- it rarely works. Look at what happened when Adam opened for Rob Thomas in Vegas -- nothing. I was at the Buffalo Holiday Concert -- and got to see Adam perform to an arena mostly filled with Shawn Mendes fans who mostly older than Demi's fans. They were not interested in Adam -- at all. The whole "opening act to get exposure" idea rarely works -- and for an established artist like Adam can be a deathnail on future solo tours. One example from Idol is Jordan Sparks who opened for the Jonas Brothers (2009), Britney Spears (2009) and The NKOTBSB Tour (2011) in arenas -- got tons of exposure, had hit singles and still could not build a solo touring career. Her last solo tour was in 2010 (in theaters) and lost money. I would love someone to tell me when this opening act to expand a fanbase worked for an artist. Thank you Q3! I was hoping someone would put some facts behind what I was feeling.
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Post by Q3 on Jan 23, 2016 23:12:01 GMT -5
WB and Adam are not so happy about all the streams just cause they like Spotify. Just a clarifier please...Are you meaning Adam and team like Spotify more than other streams like Tidal/Beat...etc? As an aside: When it was posted that Adam had 109 million streams I got into google and calculated the .00028 (approx amount to an artist x 109 million)to get a rough idea as to what income would come Adam's way. Then I read this article ....and it is so discouraging that the more streams members generate--- the less the artist gets paid. www.digitalmusicnews.com/2015/06/11/the-more-money-spotify-makes-the-less-artists-get-paid/If this is true information...I was was very disheartened to realize that if I play TOH or GT over a million times that does not mean Adam gets the amount I expected. Spotify puts the money for membership in a pot. If say 100 people pay 10.00 a month for the service and these people stream music constantly, Spotify can only pay out--- in a ratio--- to artists from the pot of income. This article suggests several possible changes ---one is that people should be only allowed to stream so many times in a month for their fee, so that artists and labels get a decent return for their product/song. Anyway it was an interesting read. The pie has more in it -- you have to add in ad revenue which is a big number. Spotify is not completely clear about the numbers but I used 2015 royalty payment numbers -- since that is when GT got most of its streams.
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Post by shimoli710 on Jan 23, 2016 23:16:27 GMT -5
JMHO Demi's tween fans and their dads (who come with them) are not likely to become Adam fans. Many artists open for other artists in an attempt to gain new fans -- it rarely works. Look at what happened when Adam opened for Rob Thomas in Vegas -- nothing. I was at the Buffalo Holiday Concert -- and got to see Adam perform to an arena mostly filled with Shawn Mendes fans who mostly older than Demi's fans. They were not interested in Adam -- at all. The whole "opening act to get exposure" idea rarely works -- and for an established artist like Adam can be a deathnail on future solo tours. One example from Idol is Jordan Sparks who opened for the Jonas Brothers (2009), Britney Spears (2009) and The NKOTBSB Tour (2011) in arenas -- got tons of exposure, had hit singles and still could not build a solo touring career. Her last solo tour was in 2010 (in theaters) and lost money. I would love someone to tell me when this opening act to expand a fanbase worked for an artist. Thank you Q3! I was hoping someone would put some facts behind what I was feeling.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 23:22:54 GMT -5
wow, TSMGO during Ashley Wagner skate ! I have no idea who sang, some female... That cover is from the 'Moulin Rouge'. soundtrack. In the movie I think 'Satine' (Nicole Kidman) sings the song.
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Post by bridgeymah on Jan 23, 2016 23:23:55 GMT -5
well, he's not being exposed to any new fans like he wanted but I'm sure he's happy that you're happy I'm not JMHO Demi's tween fans and their dads (who come with them) are not likely to become Adam fans. Many artists open for other artists in an attempt to gain new fans -- it rarely works. Look at what happened when Adam opened for Rob Thomas in Vegas -- nothing. I was at the Buffalo Holiday Concert -- and got to see Adam perform to an arena mostly filled with Shawn Mendes fans who mostly older than Demi's fans. They were not interested in Adam -- at all. The whole "opening act to get exposure" idea rarely works -- and for an established artist like Adam can be a deathnail on future solo tours. One example from Idol is Jordan Sparks who opened for the Jonas Brothers (2009), Britney Spears (2009) and The NKOTBSB Tour (2011) in arenas -- got tons of exposure, had hit singles and still could not build a solo touring career. Her last solo tour was in 2010 (in theaters) and lost money. I would love someone to tell me when this opening act to expand a fanbase worked for an artist. I have no idea how you build a lasting expanded fan base. If I take lessons from businesses in attracting customers part of it is through exposure (you might be the best thing since sliced bread but if I don't know about you doesn't do me a whole lot of good). But it's not just any exposure, because everyone is not your customer. So the trick is to put yourself into the right spotlight not just any spotlight. But a different question - why do people think Adam is not doing well? Sure if you measure it by the unicorns of the music biz (Taylor; Adele etc) he's doing ok but if you measure by the other 99.9999% of musicians out there I'd say he's doing pretty damn well given the highly disposable nature of the music industry these days his 15 minutes should have been up long ago. Instead he's still building his reputation, doing interesting things, being acclaimed for his talent and recognised for being a nice person along with it. All in all I'd say he's doing great and seems pretty damn happy. #stillovethemoo #onemoresleep
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Post by nica575 on Jan 23, 2016 23:24:07 GMT -5
I love this. The outfit and the shades are so futuristic. AMAZING PICTURES!
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Post by donnamb on Jan 23, 2016 23:24:44 GMT -5
I'm not worried at all about the alleged melt-down of an Adam-Demi co-tour. Well, of course, I would have gone to it. I'm happy to see that Adam's solo tour, with any opener, is selling quite briskly in the US. I'm particularly intrigued that the one show I am going to - foxwoods ct - has been selling very well. I did volunteer to stream the concert via mixlr after entreaties from mmadamimadam for help.
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Post by revlisacat on Jan 23, 2016 23:30:25 GMT -5
Bridgeymah wrote:
But a different question - "why do people think Adam is not doing well? Sure if you measure it by the unicorns of the music biz (Taylor; Adele etc) he's doing ok but if you measure by the other 99.9999% of musicians out there I'd say he's doing pretty damn well given the highly disposable nature of the music industry these days his 15 minutes should have been up long ago. Instead he's still building his reputation, doing interesting things, being acclaimed for his talent and recognised for being a nice person along with it. All in all I'd say he's doing great and seems pretty damn happy."
Amen sister! I think a lot of people somehow feel that if Adam is not to Adele levels, then he is not really successful. Anyone familiar with the entertainment industry would say that Adam is extremely successful right now. Only about 10% of actors, musicians, dancers etc. make a living in this industry and only 1-2% make a really good living. The fact that Adam is in that 1-2% (or even less than 1%) of artists in the entertainment industry making a good living is really wonderful. I am also glad that his career is so diverse because that diversity often equals longevity. Thanks for your post!
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Post by cassie on Jan 23, 2016 23:31:27 GMT -5
When discussing Adam picking up new fans from appearing with other artists, I think about his work with Queen. Huge! Highest profile. Lots of publicity. Endorsement from rock royalty. A repertoire of songs that showed off Adam's voice and performance skills to the nth degree.
Adam converted a large majority of Queen/Freddie fans, who now embrace Adam as Queen's frontman, enabling them to continue performing their great music.
They embrace Adam as Queen's frontman. Not as a solo pop singer. Yes, there were some folks who fell down the rabbit hole and are now Glamberts. A majority are not. I would be surprised if even 10% of Queen fans attending the shows went out and bought TOH.
Adam benefitted from his Queen collaboration in many ways, quantifiable and not. But, I don't think it produced a major influx of Adam Lambert, solo pop top40 artist, fans. Pairing Adam with Demi or Shawn or Rob Thomas seems much less compatible than with Queen. Adam appeals to me in ways that Demi or Shawn or Rob do not. If I went to see Adam open for one of them, I would leave before their set. Just not interested. I would think vice versa would apply.
IMHO, YMMV
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