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Post by Q3 on Jan 23, 2016 23:34:18 GMT -5
wow, TSMGO during Ashley Wagner skate ! I have no idea who sang, some female... That cover is from the 'Moulin Rouge'. soundtrack. In the movie I think 'Satine' (Nicole Kidman) sings the song. Two Queen songs so far from the US Nationals. "The Show Must Go On" is sung by Zidler/Jim Broadbent, Satine/Nicole Kidman, and Moulin Rouge Stagehands
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 23:34:44 GMT -5
JMHO Demi's tween fans and their dads (who come with them) are not likely to become Adam fans. Many artists open for other artists in an attempt to gain new fans -- it rarely works. Look at what happened when Adam opened for Rob Thomas in Vegas -- nothing. I was at the Buffalo Holiday Concert -- and got to see Adam perform to an arena mostly filled with Shawn Mendes fans who mostly older than Demi's fans. They were not interested in Adam -- at all. The whole "opening act to get exposure" idea rarely works -- and for an established artist like Adam can be a deathnail on future solo tours. One example from Idol is Jordan Sparks who opened for the Jonas Brothers (2009), Britney Spears (2009) and The NKOTBSB Tour (2011) in arenas -- got tons of exposure, had hit singles and still could not build a solo touring career. Her last solo tour was in 2010 (in theaters) and lost money. I would love someone to tell me when this opening act to expand a fanbase worked for an artist. I have no idea how you build a lasting expanded fan base. If I take lessons from businesses in attracting customers part of it is through exposure (you might be the best thing since sliced bread but if I don't know about you doesn't do me a whole lot of good). But it's not just any exposure, because everyone is not your customer. So the trick is to put yourself into the right spotlight not just any spotlight. But a different question - why do people think Adam is not doing well? Sure if you measure it by the unicorns of the music biz (Taylor; Adele etc) he's doing ok but if you measure by the other 99.9999% of musicians out there I'd say he's doing pretty damn well given the highly disposable nature of the music industry these days his 15 minutes should have been up long ago. Instead he's still building his reputation, doing interesting things, being acclaimed for his talent and recognised for being a nice person along with it. All in all I'd say he's doing great and seems pretty damn happy. #stillovethemoo #onemoresleep EXACTLY!! Unless someone monitors the Top 40 charts all the time for all the artists, all they see are Swift, Beiber, Adele, Selena moving quickly with hit after hit and that is the bar they set for Adam. But they don't see that Sia's last single flopped! They don't realize that DeRulo's current single is the 4th from this album. The 2nd one peaked at #66 on BB Hot 100 & the 3rd one got pulled because it was going no where! I guess some fans are projecting what they think is a criteria for success & putting it on Adam's career. If he doesn't meet their goals, then he is not their idea of a success! Gold and platinum sales don't matter. TV projects don't matter. Radio play is never enough. I guess, Adam saying, "I love my life!" is not enough either. IDGI!
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Post by Q3 on Jan 23, 2016 23:39:59 GMT -5
JMHO Demi's tween fans and their dads (who come with them) are not likely to become Adam fans. Many artists open for other artists in an attempt to gain new fans -- it rarely works. Look at what happened when Adam opened for Rob Thomas in Vegas -- nothing. I was at the Buffalo Holiday Concert -- and got to see Adam perform to an arena mostly filled with Shawn Mendes fans who mostly older than Demi's fans. They were not interested in Adam -- at all. The whole "opening act to get exposure" idea rarely works -- and for an established artist like Adam can be a deathnail on future solo tours. One example from Idol is Jordan Sparks who opened for the Jonas Brothers (2009), Britney Spears (2009) and The NKOTBSB Tour (2011) in arenas -- got tons of exposure, had hit singles and still could not build a solo touring career. Her last solo tour was in 2010 (in theaters) and lost money. I would love someone to tell me when this opening act to expand a fanbase worked for an artist. I have no idea how you build a lasting expanded fan base. If I take lessons from businesses in attracting customers part of it is through exposure (you might be the best thing since sliced bread but if I don't know about you doesn't do me a whole lot of good). But it's not just any exposure, because everyone is not your customer. So the trick is to put yourself into the right spotlight not just any spotlight. But a different question - why do people think Adam is not doing well? Sure if you measure it by the unicorns of the music biz (Taylor; Adele etc) he's doing ok but if you measure by the other 99.9999% of musicians out there I'd say he's doing pretty damn well given the highly disposable nature of the music industry these days his 15 minutes should have been up long ago. Instead he's still building his reputation, doing interesting things, being acclaimed for his talent and recognised for being a nice person along with it. All in all I'd say he's doing great and seems pretty damn happy. #stillovethemoo #onemoresleep I think he is doing great. He made $10 million last year, is shopping for a second home, has a major label contract with a label that gets him, is in the midst of another "sold out" world tour, will be headlining Queen for some huge concerts this summer, has a worldwide Oreo jingle, and will be in a perfect role in the remake of RHS. Not shabby and I am sure he has more in the works! >> And why would anyone what him involved with an artist who would pull a stunt like Demi/her manager did?
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Post by theosgma on Jan 23, 2016 23:40:53 GMT -5
I am loving these last few posts!!!
Adam is living his dream. Is he ambitious for more? Of course! Is he doing just what he always says he wants - entertaining people, touring, creating music, putting on a show - absolutely. And then there's that little side job called QAL. And now branching out to TV and jingles. Variety is the spice of life. We have no idea how much he is leveraging his superstar status into all kinds of interesting projects. He is a smart guy, hard working and has a great team.
As the great line in Sound of Music says "When God closes a door He always opens a window". Adam knows the scene. You go for something and if it doesn't work out, you keep positive and keep moving.
What a guy!
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Post by theosgma on Jan 23, 2016 23:43:27 GMT -5
Oh! ALN MV is now above 3,960,000, Going to be 4,000,000 sometime tomorrow
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Post by adamrocks on Jan 23, 2016 23:43:53 GMT -5
Totally speculation as to what the arrangement would have been. I am still of the mind that the exposure during the advertisement period and during the actual shows would have increased the value of the deal well beyond any speculated monetary differences. He desparately needs a larger, youth oriented fan base IMO, this tour debacle wasI a huge loss to him in relation to making strides to break big in the US market. But what is done is done, he and his team is moving forward and doing what they can to keep him visible in the US. We know there was a deal that fell apart from Adam's tweet. We know that Nick Jonas is opening for Demi and he replaced Adam. TMZ reported that Adam had a deal to open for Demi. There is absolutely no doubt that it is Demi's Tour. If it was a "co-tour," she could not have replaced him. It does not matter what you call it, Adam would have been on Demi's Tour. ETA: Christina Perri and MKTO opened for Demi in 2014 -- and I was at several concerts (work related) -- the Demi fans mostly talked or left for the opening acts. MKTO was not well known in the US but Christina Perri had two albums (both BB200 #4), some hits and Top 40/HAC radio airplay. The tour did nothing for either of them. **** I disagree about the "ad value" of the Demi tour promo because I am not sure how Adam would have monetized it. It does not appear to be doing anything for Nick Jonas. I also do not think Adam "desperately" needs anything. Finally, as far as exposure to a broad audience goes, I think the best thing for Adam is exactly what they are doing -- a high-profile TV role that suits him. Thanks for the information about opening for Demi. I am glad it didn't happen and I agree with you about opening acts not gaining anything. And agree....IMHO....Adam does not need anything 'desperately' and more TV works for me!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 23:45:18 GMT -5
well, no one will ever convince me that Adam/his team did not know what they wanted/why with Demi better than anyone not Adam/his team. They know his goals and opportunities..
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Post by Q3 on Jan 23, 2016 23:46:38 GMT -5
When discussing Adam picking up new fans from appearing with other artists, I think about his work with Queen. Huge! Highest profile. Lots of publicity. Endorsement from rock royalty. A repertoire of songs that showed off Adam's voice and performance skills to the nth degree. Adam converted a large majority of Queen/Freddie fans, who now embrace Adam as Queen's frontman, enabling them to continue performing their great music. They embrace Adam as Queen's frontman. Not as a solo pop singer. Yes, there were some folks who fell down the rabbit hole and are now Glamberts. A majority are not. I would be surprised if even 10% of Queen fans attending the shows went out and bought TOH. Adam benefitted from his Queen collaboration in many ways, quantifiable and not. But, I don't think it produced a major influx of Adam Lambert, solo pop top40 artist, fans. Pairing Adam with Demi or Shawn or Rob Thomas seems much less compatible than with Queen. Adam appeals to me in ways that Demi or Shawn or Rob do not. If I went to see Adam open for one of them, I would leave before their set. Just not interested. I would think vice versa would apply. IMHO, YMMV I agree with most of what you wrote (except that I like both Rob Thomas and Shawn Mendes and would stay for them.) But I would be shocked if more than 1% of the Queen fans who saw Adam with Queen bought TOH. If B+R+A put out a new studio album, it would be a bigger seller to Queen fans -- at least there are many posts about want that album. Queen + Adam was a win, win, win. But Adam is not opening for Queen -- he is their frontman -- really different.
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Post by nica575 on Jan 23, 2016 23:52:13 GMT -5
I am loving these last few posts!!! Adam is living his dream. Is he ambitious for more? Of course! Is he doing just what he always says he wants - entertaining people, touring, creating music, putting on a show - absolutely. And then there's that little side job called QAL. And now branching out to TV and jingles. Variety is the spice of life. We have no idea how much he is leveraging his superstar status into all kinds of interesting projects. He is a smart guy, hard working and has a great team. As the great line in Sound of Music says "When God closes a door He always opens a window". Adam knows the scene. You go for something and if it doesn't work out, you keep positive and keep moving. What a guy! so true! however, the fact is he is doing a theater tour and not an arena tour - so, the question is HOW to get to the "arena" level, specifically in the US... some of us think that opening for a "popular with tweenies star du jour" is the answer, some of us think it will not help and then some think it would even hurt him... oh, once he gets to the arena level, we will be discussing the way to get to the stadium level...can't wait
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Post by SophieB on Jan 23, 2016 23:52:42 GMT -5
Great recap Eri9. With all this New Zealand news, I've been wondering about Catzmadam and whether she is still part of the Adam fandom. Anyone know? I still remember a lot of her remarkable stories! She's still very active - mostly on twitter! i travelled with her for QALs in California/Vegas in 2014.....great fun....she was at the Auckland show this week. (Hi Catz )
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