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Post by tinafea on Nov 20, 2018 23:37:50 GMT -5
Adamtopia Calendar12.2.18 Adam performing on BBC Strictly Come DancingUltimate Music @urultimatemusic .@adamlambert will be performing on @bbcstrictly on Sunday December 2 Ultimate Music @urultimatemusic .@adamlambert will be performing on @bbcstrictly on Sunday December 2 12.12.18 NPR's Ask Me Another Live With Adam Lambert Wednesday, Dec 12, 2018 7:30PM Balboa Theatre (San Diego, CA) No performance
TBD Adam Performance in US before the end of the year.
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Post by betty on Nov 20, 2018 23:46:45 GMT -5
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU ...
... croco and flowers!
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Post by Jablea on Nov 21, 2018 2:53:48 GMT -5
Did you get that off your chest? A lecture from someone who's posted all of 14 times may not be warranted. You may or may not be making valid points but is this the way to change people's perceptions? I don't think so. We ask that people join the conversation, that they bring their viewpoint in without telling us in few or a multitude of words that we are bad, bad humans. Yes, we view Adam in the daylight of our own experience, what we are used to. It seems that perhaps you don't have the same experiences but you sound like an it's not gay enough BoRhap reviewer.
So if you want to use the power of the pen in defense of Adam, and I assume others in his situation, may I suggest writing in pencil or light pen instead of magic marker. We might listen to someone who doesn't bring out the ruler to slap our hands for our misguided view of the world. I bow to your unbridled expertise on the situation.
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Post by sizzling63 on Nov 21, 2018 3:21:26 GMT -5
Wow. I am not taking any sides, but I personally like it when someone steps up and challenges my/our views. I do not think that the right to voice an opinion has to be earned in terms of membership status, as I can simply choose to agree or disagree.
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Nov 21, 2018 3:51:37 GMT -5
I have a few things to say about discussing Adam's private life. First, I'm not much interested in his private life because it is predictable and ordinary. His public professional life is far more interesting, and since he spends more time onstage or on the record than off, there is plenty enough to talk about. In his own words, it's the best expression of who he really is. Second, I cringe every time I see that he is being judged against biased standards. Those who judge him for the age of those he dates: why did you not speak up when you learned that Roger Taylor's wife is 23 years younger? Or when David Foster married Katharine McPhee? Are you also appalled at the recent marriage of Nick Jonas and Priyanka Chopra? Meanwhile, Elton John's husband is 15 years younger and they have been together 25 years. Statistically, the average couple span for homosexuals is longer and more stable than for heterosexuals. Yet legal-age young adult gay males are construed as bad risks. Older gay males who date them are dubbed "perverts." Did you feel the same way when Ellen Degeneres "perverted" Anne Heche, or dated her current wife, Portia, who is 15 years younger? Third, It seems there is not only a double standard for Adam that references the madonna/whore complex, but also the expectation that Adam's private life should follow some sort of normative developed by heterosexuals for heterosexuals. This is ironic since the antiquated normatives imposed on Western heterosexual relationships are implicated in high divorce rates, spousal violence, depression, and substance abuse. Why would Adam's fans want to impose on him normatives that are deeply flawed and may be contributing to the current gun violence destroying society? In the years that Adam has mindfully refrained from commitment to relationships doomed to fail because his professional life is transient and unstable, how many divorces and rehabs have you endured among your own? How many mass shootings with roots in toxic masculinity that is exacerbated by these double standards? Lastly, the more that fans impose themselves into his and his friends' private lives, the harder they will work to shut fans out. Case in point: Adam appears to be relying more on assistants to post on his public social media accounts. What he does post himself is predictable: "Hello Cleveland!", promotional back-scratching, or acknowledging his friends. When he finally does open up, as with tweets about NRA, he is punished for it by fandom trolls. When he does the obligatory live chat he only chooses the same questions he's answered 101 times before. In other words, fans will never get him to say or do anything that compromises his privacy or personal convictions. He is boring you on purpose. Get the hint already. Isn't there enough Adam to talk about without reinforcing personal biases, based on flawed normatives, and contributing to dangerous double standards? Maybe there should be a rule here that you can discuss and pass judgment on Adam's private life only after revealing all the same sordid details about your own, so we can all decide together if you're doing it right. /rant @madmax you make some very interesting points about biased standards, double standards, and normatives which could make for some very interesting and lively discussion. I am sensing that you come from a different background and perspective than many of the people on this board and I would be interested in knowing more about how this influences your opinions on this subject. However, you will find that some people on this board take perceived slights personally while others are interested in having a lively back and forth conversation about the pros and cons of debatable subjects. Heck, I find the same dynamic in my dance classes and it can be tricky to navigate.
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Nov 21, 2018 3:53:47 GMT -5
Wow. I am not taking any sides, but I personally like it when someone steps up and challenges my/our views. I do not think that the right to voice an opinion has to be earned in terms of membership status, as I can simply choose to agree or disagree. I agree! And isn't that what Adam has done for many years, challenging people's preconceived views and getting them to look at another side of issues! I know that from following Adam that I have formed opinions about some issues that I rarely even though about before.
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Post by 4EverAdam on Nov 21, 2018 4:11:23 GMT -5
Wow. I am not taking any sides, but I personally like it when someone steps up and challenges my/our views. I do not think that the right to voice an opinion has to be earned in terms of membership status, as I can simply choose to agree or disagree. I also agree with sizzling63 and Dancygeorgia brings up some good points as well. I am not a Moderator but sometimes a quick check of the Atop Guidelines and Moderator Role can refresh our memories on posting content and opinions and that it is OK to respectfully disagree.
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Post by sizzling63 on Nov 21, 2018 4:45:25 GMT -5
Wow. I am not taking any sides, but I personally like it when someone steps up and challenges my/our views. I do not think that the right to voice an opinion has to be earned in terms of membership status, as I can simply choose to agree or disagree. I agree! And isn't that what Adam has done for many years, challenging people's preconceived views and getting them to look at another side of issues! I know that from following Adam that I have formed opinions about some issues that I rarely even though about before. I have learned a lot through Adam as well as his fandom.
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Post by metislight on Nov 21, 2018 4:50:22 GMT -5
@madmax I understand where you are coming from with this perspective. Certain things are frustrating for a lot of people. But one should not forget that Adam fans are still just people like all the rest and being fans doesn't change that. Holding glamberts to higher standarts than the rest is wrong in my opinion, although a lot of people in this fandom are more open minded than some from what I found being in Glamily for the last 9 years. Open-mindness is one of the resons I love being in this fandom. Everyone is different and has different views and its always going to be that someone has a view somebody else doesn't agree with. I believe everyone wants the state of the world affairs to be better than they are but one can't change society overnight. Adam is a public figure. It comes with the job. Trolls are trolls whether they chose to coment on Adam posts or tell mean things to their neighboors in real life. Social media can be a positive thing but like with everything else in life it has negative sides to. How everyone choses to use it it is up to each individual. But everyone should not forget that as long as everyone is free to even voice an opinion we are good. I don't condone any kind of abuse and one can always report it. Lets remember that not everyone is even free to have a voice in the world. I personally would rather see both positive and negative, opinions I agree and disagree with, than not. I love this board as it is much more positive than other places.
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Post by 4EverAdam on Nov 21, 2018 4:58:37 GMT -5
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