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Post by mszue on Apr 12, 2014 16:56:32 GMT -5
Testosterone? I just think they need better hygiene and diet. I sure don't think manly! LOL! HAHAHA </img></font> ANSWERING YOUR EDIT...
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Post by Q3 on Apr 12, 2014 17:32:06 GMT -5
Gene Simmons ego could power the planet. I made the mistake of reading "KISS and Make-Up" by Gene Simmons and wished I had some brain bleach afterwards. As for Queen not being considered rock that unfortunately is not a Simmons only opinion. I clearly remember in high school in the late 70's that there were definitely factions within rock fans for whom Queen was not "real rock". Lots of the KISS, Aerosmith, and Van Halen fans sneered at Queen. Of course there were also many who thought KISS were absolute crap from a musical standpoint although they were considered a great party band. In many ways KISS and Queen were both outliers with the rock "music snobs" turning their noses up at both of them but for different reasons. Queen were generally considered hugely talented but "not rock" and KISS were seen as crap music but great party entertainment. A friend of mine in high school actually called KISS the "Bay City Rollers" of hard rock. Interesting about Queen not being considered rock by some. I wonder if there are people who don't consider the Beatles to be rock. They were pretty eclectic as they progressed. Many people classify The Beatles as pop-rock or rock, pop. But almost everyone classifies Queen as a rock band. The Wikipedia entry for Queen, for example, list them as "Genres Rock". I always thought that Gene Simmons comment about Queen to be odd. Here is a bit more from Gene Simmons' appearance on the Howard Stern Show to promote the upcoming KISS tour -- from May 2009, right after Idol. I am very pleased that Adam had the good sense NOT to follow this advice. I am pleased Adam did the Rolling Stone interview and pleased he established his own market place and brand ID before he did anything extensive with Queen. *** I just got here and have not read the thread, but I think the net effect of the AMAs performance was positive for Adam. And I believe that it catapulted him out of the American Idol bubble. That was essential for what is being set up now.
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Post by HeShouldaWon on Apr 12, 2014 17:33:03 GMT -5
chapfThe KISS emoties...bwah! <script charset="UTF-8" src="chrome://hdv/content/hdv.js" type="application/javascript"></script> (why does all that script stuff show up in my post?) <script charset="UTF-8" src="chrome://hdv/content/hdv.js" type="application/javascript"></script>
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 17:47:55 GMT -5
How do I know the AMAs propelled Adam into the international consciousness? Easy!! The "stupid American TV & USA media" got bad press all over the world for his performance being edited & his GMA cancellations! If the talk had not been about Adam the next day, it would have been about Lady Gaga burning a piano! And Glitter is right! WWFM did go on, almost immediately, to sell one million copies (now 2 million) his album premiered at #3 with almost 200K in sales! He went on to do a sold out tour worldwide. Ooooo, almost forgot the Grammy nomination! Nothing there sounds stalled to me at all. The only stalling I have seen in the past 5 years was 2012-2013 with RCA's mishandling of introducing Adam's era #2 with botched single choices. LOL it was the first time when Adam did big PING! on my radar, and I wasn't even fan back then. I'd be willing to bet you are one of thousands!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 17:48:35 GMT -5
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Post by Holst on Apr 12, 2014 17:55:38 GMT -5
Pulling that one quote from what Gene said is all fine and good, but what Gene's comments as a whole really said was, that Adam should not have come out AT ALL. That he should have hidden the fact that he was gay. I think we can all agree that that was NOT an option. Gene is a homophobic ass! Though some fans have said they didn't know Adam was gay while he was on Idol, he was certainly not hiding it. And he definitely did not hide the fact that he was a gay man who had a lot of sex and enjoyed it. That in a nutshell was the problem that Hicklin and many other gay men had with Adam. He was not the 'type of gay' they were wanting to portray to the mainstream public at the time. Adam was never going to be the GQ Docker wearing gay representative they wanted him to be. The Idol stage could barely handle the tight leather, pelvic thrusting, make-up wearing, tongue wagging, sex dripping, banshee wailing performer that he was. They filmed him from the waist up so often, it was like going back to the days of Elvis.He did this on the very conservative American Idol stage and made it all the way to the final, but he scared the shit out of a lot of people...... and confused a lot of people. Simply by being his true self at the time. There was no hiding that. Were there missteps taken along the way?..... Sure. Would he go back and change anything? I doubt it. He has said time and again he has no regrets. It is what it is...... and for me it's all good. I'm one of those who didn't know he was gay just by watching Idol. I didn't do Internet surfing on him until the season was over. I also never noticed the other bold things you added about his Idol performances. HA! I'm dense I guess. But I was too busy being obsessed with his singing and stage presence (commanding). He looked like a young boy be me and I didn't see anything sexy one way or the other--just a good performer.
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Post by Q3 on Apr 12, 2014 18:02:13 GMT -5
First, great post, Q3, I loved it, thanks! Second, I am really glad Nirvana was inducted. I read about it, and it was Michael Stipe who did it - they were friends, Michael and Kurt, and appreciated each other so much. He gave an amazing speech. Third, I don't know much about Gene and KISS, but I most definitely didn't know "the central role gay men and gay iconography played in crafting the band’s image ". Together with the fact that they failed to recognize their gay manager, Bill Aucoin, "the legendary rock’n’roll manager who discovered KISS and basically made them stars", just serves to prove that Gene's criticism of Adam is nothing personal, but a part of morally questionable opinions and attitudes of Simmons on many subjects. I would really love to hear why Fernandez thinks Adam's coming out helped his career, it's an interesting observation. And I liked his advice re coming out in general. Lastly, I am not sure I understood this properly: did Adam decide to wear his KISS duet outfit because HE was aware of the band's homoerotic iconography, or the AI producers? Also, if Adam was aware of it, his casual remarks about where he got his wings from and about his shoes get one more, very interesting, dimension to them:)Adam has never spoken about why he put together that outfit -- at least not that I recall. I am now pretty sure Adam got it, but I did not get it. I never followed KISS and the role of gay culture and gay men in forming the identity of KISS was not known by most fans -- with the exception of some superfans knowing their manager, Bill Aucoin, was gay. >> After I read it, 40 years after KISS was founded, and I look at KISS, well duh! [Hits head!] It was right in front of me the whole time. We do know why KISS was on Idol. It was the kickoff of KISS' promotion of their 2009 35th Anniversary World Tour -- which was their first tour since 2004. The only AI 8 finalist who could sing with KISS was Adam. Beyond that, I really doubt that Idol put Adam with KISS because the band was conceived of and styled by gay men. ETA: In a weird coincidence Queen's first real manager (Jim Reid 1975-1978) and KISS manager were both gay. Jim Reid was replaced by Jim Beach in 1978 and is still their manager and an essential part of the Mercury Trust; Jim Reid went on to be Elton John's manager for 28 years.
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Post by Q3 on Apr 12, 2014 18:05:56 GMT -5
Atop is loading slow for me....maybe that's why we're still on page one..lol
Anyway, wonder if this is what the band was practicing for (Wildest Moments) prior to Adam heading to Stockholm for 2 months. I think it was rumored that it was for a private gig that was postponed, but perhaps for this?.... Although, I wouldn't think you'd postpone a birthday party .....so who knows.
Jessica Kern @jessicakern14 · 8h so...I get to go to a half a million dollar sweet sixteen next weekend featuring adam lambert. I love my job. #eventplanninglife
Yes, that is what they were rehearsing for. And the postponement was related to a personal medical issue that affected someone in the family of the birthday party girl.
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Post by koshka on Apr 12, 2014 18:09:28 GMT -5
am very pleased that Adam had the good sense NOT to follow this advice. I am pleased Adam did the Rolling Stone interview and pleased he established his own market place and brand ID before he did anything extensive with Queen. I'm not convinced Queen put out an offer right after Idol. IMO it was more along the lines of "lets do something, sometime...later". I think Gene was making a moot point. It seems, the path Adam has taken has made him more confident and a substantially better performer than 5 years ago. Now he is ready for Queen, I don't think the stars aligned quite right until now.
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Post by Q3 on Apr 12, 2014 18:15:49 GMT -5
am very pleased that Adam had the good sense NOT to follow this advice. I am pleased Adam did the Rolling Stone interview and pleased he established his own market place and brand ID before he did anything extensive with Queen. I'm not convinced Queen put out an offer right after Idol. IMO it was more along the lines of "lets do something, sometime...later". I think Gene was making a moot point. It seems, the path Adam has taken has made him more confident and a substantially better performer than 5 years ago. Now he is ready for Queen, I don't think the stars aligned quite right until now. Based on what Brian and Roger said, there was no discussion between Queen and Adam in 2009, but there was interest. I remember an interview from 2009 or 2010 where Brian said that he thought it was important for Adam to establish is own career and it was not fair for Adam to be tied up with a band that was made up of old guys. If anyone remembers this, I really would love a copy or link to this interview.
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