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Post by girldrummer on Jul 27, 2017 21:55:51 GMT -5
Some of these points have been said here before, but here is my random two cents about the Freddy purists who cannot accept Adam under any circumstances:
Brian and Roger chose Adam. They chose him not just to do a show here and there, but to be their official front man This feels like heresy to the purists.
Paul Rodgers was so completely different from Adam that he presented no threat.
Adam's voice is extremely good. Better than Freddy's in some ways. Even Brian and Roger have alluded to this. This must be very painful to the purists. Like an act of treason.
No amount of "reason" or "facts" will change this. It's all emotional. I can imagine my own reaction if lots of people thought some other singer could sing Adam's own songs better than he does. It would tear at my soul. I understand how they feel. It's all about loyalty and love and a very human resentment for any perceived threat. I really applaud the many diehard Queen fans who have openly embraced Adam and recognized the amazing performer that he is.
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Post by tinafea on Jul 27, 2017 22:21:13 GMT -5
I must be an oddball. I don't understand why any Adam fan cares what some people on a Queen fan site think of Adam. I have never been to the site because I DON"T CARE what their opinion is. I don't think as an Adam fan that I need to be upset about what they say. I could give 2 Fux. I think Adam is great, I think QAL is fabulous. If they don't too bad for them. There are plenty of people filling those seats. Let them piss and moan. It is not a big deal. And honestly, if it does bother you, don't read what they say. It's like MJ's back in the day. Just leave it alone. Nobody is going to piss in my cornflakes
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Post by talon on Jul 27, 2017 22:32:07 GMT -5
I honestly never understood how non-fans could say his music sucks. They probably heard one song. He's had three albums now and all three got generally favorable reviews on Metacritic. If they heard The Original High, Runnin', Shady, Can't Let You Go, Soaked, Outlaws of Love, and countless others, would they still say those suck? Yes. I know quite a few fans after 2014 that liked him enough to dig deeper. It's actually pretty easy to understand. Minus a few tracks on FYE, his music is generally everything about music that Queen/rock fans hate - computerized, samples, edm dancey. I mean most Queen fans turned against Queen for Hot Space which is as close as Queen got to that type of music. Adam's music is not going to be something they want to listen to generally. I wouldn't have purchased Adam's albums if I wasn't doing it to thank him of sorts for letting me see B&R again... Sneaking it in? Was I not supposed to put it in the thread of the gig? I thought that's where it was supposed to go...*confused* Ummm, it was a joke. (Actually, most members rarely go back into an old thread, so it could get lost once we have moved on to a new day.) Ok I had no idea really. I got that it was meant to be a joke - but didn't understand the joke - wasn't sure if it was a dig that I was trying to avoid telling you guys what I think for some reason lol. Some of these points have been said here before, but here is my random two cents about the Freddy purists who cannot accept Adam under any circumstances: Brian and Roger chose Adam. They chose him not just to do a show here and there, but to be their official front man This feels like heresy to the purists. Paul Rodgers was so completely different from Adam that he presented no threat. Adam's voice is extremely good. Better than Freddy's in some ways. Even Brian and Roger have alluded to this. This must be very painful to the purists. Like an act of treason. No amount of "reason" or "facts" will change this. It's all emotional. I can imagine my own reaction if lots of people thought some other singer could sing Adam's own songs better than he does. It would tear at my soul. I understand how they feel. It's all about loyalty and love and a very human resentment for any perceived threat. I really applaud the many diehard Queen fans who have openly embraced Adam and recognized the amazing performer that he is. Ok but I think some of this rhetoric goes too far. I think it's simpler. I don't think it's a threat thing because for example I don't see Adam as a "threat". To me there isn't even a comparison...No matter how many Glamberts sing Adam's praises, or how many reviewers praise him. It's no contest for me. It's simply not. Freddie is in a league all his own even as Adam does a very admirable job. Here's the main thing that I think a lot of Glamberts don't understand...especially when it comes to PR. With PR, it seemed like the band was trying to do something different. It was more of a bluesy based rock band. The camp was mostly gone. It seemed more like a genuine attempt at continuing the band. With Adam it is DEFINITIVELY a nostalgia band which some fans have no use for. And for the record B&R have never said Adam's alluded to Adam's voice being better than Freddie's...they alluded to him having a higher range which I don't disagree with, especially live...but like cassie says range isn't everything. Freddie was a baritone that sang a lot of tenor. Adam is a natural tenor. Freddie could certainly hit lower notes with more power than Adam could. But it definitely is a subjective thing. All I hear is about the emotion in Adam's voice,etc. And I don't get that at all. I think Freddie has the emotional vocal by a mile. Adam's voice is almost clinical at times. It's BETTER during power ballads, but I don't hear it nearly as much otherwise....
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Post by didilynn on Jul 27, 2017 23:01:25 GMT -5
I never got to hear Freddie live, so I don't have any live comparisons to make. But I do know that Adam's voice does something for me, to me - and since the first time I heard him sing live (American Idol tour - and I wasn't even an American Idol watcher) - I just wanted to hear him sing live again and again. I do enjoy other singers also (Bruno Mars, Gavin Degraw and Pink are singers I've heard live multiple times). But Adam's voice hits me in ways no other singer ever has and brings me such joy that I am willing to make lots of treks to hear him again and again.
Hopefully, all the Freddie fans who feel the same way about him got to have the live experience with him - because my live experience with Adam is a joy in life I'm so grateful for!
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Post by lurleene on Jul 27, 2017 23:05:33 GMT -5
I must be an oddball. I don't understand why any Adam fan cares what some people on a Queen fan site think of Adam. I have never been to the site because I DON"T CARE what their opinion is. I don't think as an Adam fan that I need to be upset about what they say. I could give 2 Fux. I think Adam is great, I think QAL is fabulous. If they don't too bad for them. There are plenty of people filling those seats. Let them piss and moan. It is not a big deal. And honestly, if it does bother you, don't read what they say. It's like MJ's back in the day. Just leave it alone. Nobody is going to piss in my cornflakes I agree with you and girldrummer. Let them whine. Adam is great and they know it and it makes them crazy. It would be funny if not so sad and predictable. For five years they have tried to convince the world (and even Adam fans) that Adam is not up to speed and they have failed. They look silly when the fans keep saying what a great voice he has and how sexy he is, and what a great performer he is. But what about Freddie they scream? Well, what we think of Adam has little to nothing to do with Freddie. Freddie is not the one on that stage performing. Adam is. So, it is Adam's looks, and outstanding vocals and style that we love and that is pretty much all that mattes. It is Queen and Adam Lambert taking the stage now. What happened 25 years ago was great for those fans at that time. I stopped going to that Q site because it was embarrassing to see grown folks pining and angry over something they cannot change. Adam did not cause this situation. Brian and Roger asked him to front the band and he more than met the challenge. They need to GTFU and go and look at their old tapes and stop with the hissy fits every time fans say how good Adam is.
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Post by skaschep on Jul 27, 2017 23:06:31 GMT -5
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Post by tinafea on Jul 27, 2017 23:07:41 GMT -5
I honestly never understood how non-fans could say his music sucks. They probably heard one song. He's had three albums now and all three got generally favorable reviews on Metacritic. If they heard The Original High, Runnin', Shady, Can't Let You Go, Soaked, Outlaws of Love, and countless others, would they still say those suck? Yes. I know quite a few fans after 2014 that liked him enough to dig deeper. It's actually pretty easy to understand. Minus a few tracks on FYE, his music is generally everything about music that Queen/rock fans hate - computerized, samples, edm dancey. I mean most Queen fans turned against Queen for Hot Space which is as close as Queen got to that type of music. Adam's music is not going to be something they want to listen to generally. I wouldn't have purchased Adam's albums if I wasn't doing it to thank him of sorts for letting me see B&R again... Ummm, it was a joke. (Actually, most members rarely go back into an old thread, so it could get lost once we have moved on to a new day.) Ok I had no idea really. I got that it was meant to be a joke - but didn't understand the joke - wasn't sure if it was a dig that I was trying to avoid telling you guys what I think for some reason lol. Some of these points have been said here before, but here is my random two cents about the Freddy purists who cannot accept Adam under any circumstances: Brian and Roger chose Adam. They chose him not just to do a show here and there, but to be their official front man This feels like heresy to the purists. Paul Rodgers was so completely different from Adam that he presented no threat. Adam's voice is extremely good. Better than Freddy's in some ways. Even Brian and Roger have alluded to this. This must be very painful to the purists. Like an act of treason. No amount of "reason" or "facts" will change this. It's all emotional. I can imagine my own reaction if lots of people thought some other singer could sing Adam's own songs better than he does. It would tear at my soul. I understand how they feel. It's all about loyalty and love and a very human resentment for any perceived threat. I really applaud the many diehard Queen fans who have openly embraced Adam and recognized the amazing performer that he is. Ok but I think some of this rhetoric goes too far. I think it's simpler. I don't think it's a threat thing because for example I don't see Adam as a "threat". To me there isn't even a comparison...No matter how many Glamberts sing Adam's praises, or how many reviewers praise him. It's no contest for me. It's simply not. Freddie is in a league all his own even as Adam does a very admirable job. Here's the main thing that I think a lot of Glamberts don't understand...especially when it comes to PR. With PR, it seemed like the band was trying to do something different. It was more of a bluesy based rock band. The camp was mostly gone. It seemed more like a genuine attempt at continuing the band. With Adam it is DEFINITIVELY a nostalgia band which some fans have no use for. And for the record B&R have never said Adam's alluded to Adam's voice being better than Freddie's...they alluded to him having a higher range which I don't disagree with, especially live...but like cassie says range isn't everything. Freddie was a baritone that sang a lot of tenor. Adam is a natural tenor. Freddie could certainly hit lower notes with more power than Adam could. But it definitely is a subjective thing. All I hear is about the emotion in Adam's voice,etc. And I don't get that at all. I think Freddie has the emotional vocal by a mile. Adam's voice is almost clinical at times. It's BETTER during power ballads, but I don't hear it nearly as much otherwise.... Talon, there is NO RIGHT answer, it is all personal taste. My personal taste is that I prefer Adam's voice hands down to Freddie. You can not argue or persuade me out of that opinion just as I can't persuade you out of yours. Music is subjective. I don't take offense at your OPINION just as I hope you don't take offense that Freddie has never rung my chimes. I like their songwriting and I like Freddie but I get no visceral reaction. These discussions will never have a resolution
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Post by skaschep on Jul 27, 2017 23:10:49 GMT -5
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Post by cassie on Jul 27, 2017 23:14:39 GMT -5
I am besotted with Adam's voice. It soaks into the core of my being. It makes me smile continuously while he is singing. It boggles my mind how it can sound so amazing and move me so deeply. I can think of no other male voice that so enchants me. I love Adam singing with Queen because their repertoire challenges Adam to use his voice fully and let 'er rip.
Freddie's voice sounds much different than Adam's, to me. It does not have a similar effect on me physically or emotionally. That is not a judgment of Freddie's voice or ability. It is an observation of my personal, visceral response. The fact is, not only do I not listen to Freddie sing while driving or relaxing, I rarely listen to any male singer other than Adam, because I find his singing so divine. (Why eat a tootsie roll when I have a gourmet chocolate truffle?)
As difficult as it is for me to imagine, I have come to realize that (many) other folks do not have the same all encompassing response to Adam's voice. They may admit that he has a good voice, unusually good for pop, but it does nothing for them. It leaves them cold. How that could be I cannot fathom, but I have to accept their truth as well as my own.
I imagine that staunch Freddie fans feel similarly about his voice, his singing, his performances as I do about Adam's. It does not mean that they are jealous, or threatened by Adam, or stubbornly clinging to the past, or homophobic, or set against Adam because he comes from reality TV, or resentful of the response QAL is getting, or think Brian and Roger are money grabbing gits who are somehow betraying Freddie's memory. I can believe that a majority of the ardent Freddie fans have nothing against Adam Lambert, per se. They just love Freddie's singing and his contribution to Queen, and miss him and mourn the loss of his talent and presence. Queen simply cannot be the same without Freddie, and no one stepping in to the role of front man can make them feel the thrill they feel when listening to Freddie.
I'm okay with that. I don't have to argue with them, or proselytize to them about the virtues of Adam. If they attend QAL because of their love for the original band members and the original music, I hope they thoroughly enjoy the show. If they decide that seeing Brian and Roger without Freddie would be a disappointment or would upset them, I am fine with them letting someone else buy their seat for the concert. Their failure to embrace Adam Lambert with Queen does absolutely nothing to diminish my supreme pleasure in Seeing Queen and Adam together.
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