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Post by nonchallance on Apr 12, 2014 12:32:39 GMT -5
I understand that it is tempting to blame the media for all the Gay forward stuff but let's be honest here. Fantasy Springs was a media issue? AMA crotch etc stuff? Fellating his mic at pretty much every GNT concert? Kissing Tommy? Massive make-up? We love[d] it all and lapped it up but to say it is the press that put the Gay front and centre seems just a little disingenuous to me. He mad the choice and we supported him. But I also believe it definitely impacted his fame trajectory.....just as he impacted, for the good IMHO, the culture of gay acceptance in the US particularly. I suspect he would have had the radio play etc much faster if he had approached them like he is doing now...not hiding the gay, jus not rubbing it in their faces. This is not a right or wrong issue for me, in my opinion, so PLEASE if you disagree with me, cool, but do not take my above statement and tweak it to suit. I love the man, as we all do here, and I love his femininity as much as his masculinity. And history will almost surely treat him well, perhaps even as heroic. That does not change the fact that his road would have been a faster and easier one if he had moderated his appearance and behaviour just a little. And we know he can do that, and is not morally averse to doing it because he is doing it now. It is also now, that he seems to be finally getting attention for stuff other than being gay....coincidence? I doubt it..... We don't know for sure that his road would be easier or faster, maybe different but even that is only speculation. And he is finally getting attention for other stuff than being gay because beying gay is not news anymore like it was in 2009. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 12:56:40 GMT -5
I understand that it is tempting to blame the media for all the Gay forward stuff but let's be honest here. Fantasy Springs was a media issue? AMA crotch etc stuff? Fellating his mic at pretty much every GNT concert? Kissing Tommy? Massive make-up? We love[d] it all and lapped it up but to say it is the press that put the Gay front and centre seems just a little disingenuous to me. He mad the choice and we supported him. But I also believe it definitely impacted his fame trajectory.....just as he impacted, for the good IMHO, the culture of gay acceptance in the US particularly. I suspect he would have had the radio play etc much faster if he had approached them like he is doing now...not hiding the gay, jus not rubbing it in their faces. This is not a right or wrong issue for me, in my opinion, so PLEASE if you disagree with me, cool, but do not take my above statement and tweak it to suit. I love the man, as we all do here, and I love his femininity as much as his masculinity. And history will almost surely treat him well, perhaps even as heroic. That does not change the fact that his road would have been a faster and easier one if he had moderated his appearance and behaviour just a little. And we know he can do that, and is not morally averse to doing it because he is doing it now. It is also now, that he seems to be finally getting attention for stuff other than being gay....coincidence? I doubt it..... LOVE this! The AMAs may have has some good and some bad come with it but I don't think it's possible to say being gay hasn't made his path harder. We've come a long way but being gay is most certainly still news. A straight celeb certainly doesn't have a media circus when they are first labelled hetro, like a gay celeb does. Being gay has influenced Adam's career in ways we will never be able to quantify. One thing I know is that Adam was not ignorant to that fact when he became famous. He pushed the envelope consciously and I believe that he will continue to do just that. It may be in a more subtle way, but expressing who he is in his entirety is at the core of him . |
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Post by mszue on Apr 12, 2014 13:06:18 GMT -5
On a different topic altogether....has anyone here done a transfer of the ticket through Ticketmaster? Have you done it with a stranger? I have a ticket to sell for the Vancouver show but nobody from Atop or twitter has shown any interest so I am going to post it on Craigslist, or perhaps Stub Hub. My concern is how you collect the money....does ticket master handle it...that is, do they take it from the transfer-de and refund you? I am assuming not which means SOMEONE has to trust the OTHER first....I am loath to do the transfer until I have the money but should think the buyer would feel the same.....conundrum.... I am fine trusting someone here from the site but not a complete unknown.....yikes...
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Post by belle on Apr 12, 2014 13:13:00 GMT -5
 I believe he'll do just that - and that's what he should do. Be himself! Go Adam, keep it real!  |
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Post by nonotme on Apr 12, 2014 13:24:45 GMT -5
On a different topic altogether....has anyone here done a transfer of the ticket through Ticketmaster? Have you done it with a stranger? I have a ticket to sell for the Vancouver show but nobody from Atop or twitter has shown any interest so I am going to post it on Craigslist, or perhaps Stub Hub. My concern is how you collect the money....does ticket master handle it...that is, do they take it from the transfer-de and refund you? I am assuming not which means SOMEONE has to trust the OTHER first....I am loath to do the transfer until I have the money but should think the buyer would feel the same.....conundrum.... I am fine trusting someone here from the site but not a complete unknown.....yikes... HELP!! If you sell through craigslist will you be able to meet the buyer in person at a public place to exchange cash & ticket? I've done that and it worked well. I'm not sure how stub hub works, but a site called ticketsnow makes the transfer very easy if the original ticket was through ticketmaster. (The site is run by ticketmaster.) You give them the barcode numbers from your ticket, then, when the ticket sells, they provide a print-yourself type ticket for the buyer. Ticketsnow takes a % of the sale price, so be sure to price the ticket such that you recover your original cost. I think that transfer option that ticketmaster offers when you buy a ticket is not a sales transaction. It is more for sending one of the tickets you bought to a friend. However, I haven't used it so do not know for sure. peace&love |
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Apr 12, 2014 13:26:37 GMT -5
On a different topic altogether....has anyone here done a transfer of the ticket through Ticketmaster? Have you done it with a stranger? I have a ticket to sell for the Vancouver show but nobody from Atop or twitter has shown any interest so I am going to post it on Craigslist, or perhaps Stub Hub. My concern is how you collect the money....does ticket master handle it...that is, do they take it from the transfer-de and refund you? I am assuming not which means SOMEONE has to trust the OTHER first....I am loath to do the transfer until I have the money but should think the buyer would feel the same.....conundrum.... I am fine trusting someone here from the site but not a complete unknown.....yikes... HELP!! I've done ticket transfers Ticketmaster, but only with other ATOPpers. One person sends over the ticket transfer, and you either send a check or do a PayPal to PayPal money transfer. I don't know the etiquette for someone you don't know. |
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Post by mszue on Apr 12, 2014 13:36:43 GMT -5
On a different topic altogether....has anyone here done a transfer of the ticket through Ticketmaster? Have you done it with a stranger? I have a ticket to sell for the Vancouver show but nobody from Atop or twitter has shown any interest so I am going to post it on Craigslist, or perhaps Stub Hub. My concern is how you collect the money....does ticket master handle it...that is, do they take it from the transfer-de and refund you? I am assuming not which means SOMEONE has to trust the OTHER first....I am loath to do the transfer until I have the money but should think the buyer would feel the same.....conundrum.... I am fine trusting someone here from the site but not a complete unknown.....yikes... HELP!! If you sell through craigslist will you be able to meet the buyer in person at a public place to exchange cash & ticket? I've done that and it worked well. I'm not sure how stub hub works, but a site called ticketsnow makes the transfer very easy if the original ticket was through ticketmaster. (The site is run by ticketmaster.) You give them the barcode numbers from your ticket, then, when the ticket sells, they provide a print-yourself type ticket for the buyer. Ticketsnow takes a % of the sale price, so be sure to price the ticket such that you recover your original cost. I think that transfer option that ticketmaster offers when you buy a ticket is not a sales transaction. It is more for sending one of the tickets you bought to a friend. However, I haven't used it so do not know for sure. peace&love Thank you noontime...I will look into ticketsnow as that looks like the best option for me. The issue with Craigslist is that the sale would almost assuredly be by someone in the Victoria area and for me to physically meet them would mean a ferry trip which is tiresome, expensive and time consuming. I thought there was an option tied to ticket master but did not know the name of it....thanks...now I just have to figure out how to access it...sure I will..and the deed is done. I am a little sad I could not help out a fellow atop member but .... it is what it is... my motto in life  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 13:55:11 GMT -5
“That’s going to be a career killer. I think it’s going to be over before it’s begun and it’s unfortunate because the kid’s got the pipes. There’s no questions. He should really shut up. No one cares what you do behind closed doors anyway. And if you’re putting that front and center, you’re forcing us to deal with it and it’s going to be a turnoff for the masses.” Gene Simmons believes. Adam should focus exclusively on his music right now and forget everything else, Simmons says, because that’s what fans care about exclusively. Arguably, fans would beg to differ, as they’ve shown the American Idol runner-up their most sincere support for his decision to come out publicly." I know this is going to be an unpopular comment on this board, but I have to say that Gene is right in this comment above. This is exactly what happened at the AMA's. I think Adam was okay until the AMA's and would have gone on to be the very successful pop artist that he wanted more than anything, but the AMA's happened and halted that momentum in it's tracks because he did exactly what Gene said above. He put the focus on him being gay. He put that front and center instead of focusing exclusively on his music and his voice and it was a turnoff for the masses just like Gene said. Also, I disagree with Fernandez saying it has helped Adam. I really don't understand why he thinks that. I live in the deep south and I guarantee you that there are a lot of people who want nothing to do with Adam just because he is gay. It doesn't matter how talented he is or how good looking his is. All they can see is the gay. Now granted, most people here in the south are religious too and see it as a sin, but that is also most of the country too since most of the country is religious is some way and follows the teaching of the bible. I do think Adam has gotten farther than most gay guys would since he is so ridiculously talented and good looking, but to say it has helped him to be an out gay artist is simply not true, IMHO. I do think the time is coming when coming out of the closet will seem stupid just like how stupid it looks now that we had separate bathrooms and drinking fountains for black people, but that time is still a ways away because the country has gone backwards in some ways with the christian fundamentalist push to fight evolution. I do see Adam has having found success against all odds, but he still hasn't achieved the pop star status that he wanted. That could change though because Adam doesn't seem to feel the need to put his sexuality front and center anymore. He has matured and become more grounded and is concentrating his efforts on putting his voice front and center like he did at the IHeart festival. That went a long way toward cementing Adam as a vocal powerhouse and articles are now referring to him as just that rather than the "openly gay artist". Also, the AMA's are now a fleeting memory for most people and Adam has a chance to start fresh with a new album and a new persona as the "best singer I know". Sorry but this comment only makes sense IF WWFM hadn't gone on to sell over 2M copies, land in the top 10 on the BB100, his debut album hadn't debuted at #3 and he hadn't gone onto a sold out world wide tour, ALL following the AMA performance. Please keep it respectful!
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Post by lethallyfloral on Apr 12, 2014 14:01:08 GMT -5
Stepping out of lurkdom after a while as I'm very excited about what's to come.
I'm curious--what do you think, specifically, would have happened had Adam not kissed Tommy at the AMAs? I think "stopped his career tragjectory in its tracks" is rather vague.
He would have gotten more radio play? It may have stopped FYE as a single in its tracks but that single was followed up by What Do You Want From Me? was a rather huge hit played quite a bit. It had a ridiculous amount of longevity. And that happened after the AMAs.
His tour that kept extending...all the way into Europe also happened long after the AMAs. (I believe the argument that the AMAs made him a 'super star' is related to the fact that the controversy made international news and may have made people pay attention internationally that may not have when he was just an AI contestant. I don't know if I agree but I assume that's where people get that idea.)
Adam did face obstacles that others wouldn't have faced but it's not because of one specific thing he did. It's because he's gay. And he lives in a world that unless he really wanted to go deep in the closet, it's not something he'd be able to hide from the Perez Hiltons or TMZs of the world. Those obstacles are part of the reason he decided to do AI in the first place.
If the AMAs were truly going to stop/halt Adam's career, it would have happened then. It wouldn't take its punches out on singles from a second album.
Edited to add: Or what glitter said.
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Post by geezlouise on Apr 12, 2014 14:11:16 GMT -5
Pulling that one quote from what Gene said is all fine and good, but what Gene's comments as a whole really said was, that Adam should not have come out AT ALL. That he should have hidden the fact that he was gay.
I think we can all agree that that was NOT an option.
Gene is a homophobic ass!
Though some fans have said they didn't know Adam was gay while he was on Idol, he was certainly not hiding it. And he definitely did not hide the fact that he was a gay man who had a lot of sex and enjoyed it. That in a nutshell was the problem that Hicklin and many other gay men had with Adam. He was not the 'type of gay' they were wanting to portray to the mainstream public at the time. Adam was never going to be the GQ Docker wearing gay representative they wanted him to be. The Idol stage could barely handle the tight leather, pelvic thrusting, make-up wearing, tongue wagging, sex dripping, banshee wailing performer that he was. They filmed him from the waist up so often, it was like going back to the days of Elvis.He did this on the very conservative American Idol stage and made it all the way to the final, but he scared the shit out of a lot of people...... and confused a lot of people. Simply by being his true self at the time. There was no hiding that.
Were there missteps taken along the way?..... Sure.
Would he go back and change anything? I doubt it. He has said time and again he has no regrets.
It is what it is...... and for me it's all good.
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