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Post by restless on Feb 13, 2013 17:27:27 GMT -5
I don't have many posts to this name, but I have been around Atop for years and had to recreate accounts for various reasons. It is always disconcerting when members are chastised for discussions. I know this comes up every now and then. Obviously the mods have the say, it is their forum, right? I just resent certain peeps that come across so high and mighty calling out how ridiculous we all are in our "angst" and worry. Especially those that don't regularly post or quit the forum and show up just to put us in our place.
Dark side shit here. exxxxxcuuuuuse me.
leenaseyez, I love your post and it took balls to say it here. It is your perspective and has value in a discussion, if permitted.
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Post by nica575 on Feb 13, 2013 17:27:57 GMT -5
I've never had an interest in the Sauli relationship, I don't know much about him besides he makes Adam happy and inspired some great songs, but I think this kind of speculation and jumping to bad conclusions is like tabloid journalism territory. I don't think anyone's intentions are bad but life's too short to think negatively!! Peace and love darlings ,  a very general statement re my own attitude towards breakups: if a relationship stops working then it is "a good" thing to break up and move forward ... I feel this way when my kids go though romantic "rough" times and I wish I had the same wisdom when I was young... (in no way am I implying or reflecting on A&S' life as I know nothing ). |
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Post by JazzRocks on Feb 13, 2013 18:04:47 GMT -5
Glad things are working now...when I came here this morning, I had to find it through the search function and the posts were all wonky. They were in date-decending order instead of ascending and there was no 'reply' box....very odd. Perhaps it was just the system/PB....which seems to have a lot of problems, often :( I think we are all coming from a similar place and we are just showing our care and concern. The whole difference between a casual fan and a fan-stan is that we care for the person....not just the music. All the literature we are reading talks of the importance of moving casual fans to the caring place....but caring is always a two way street. We care about the difficult as well as the fun because life is like that. It is unrealistic to expect peeps to care only for the fun.....that is sort of a "cake and eat it" situation and does not work....:-) None of us are tweeting him or being obnoxious....just really showing our love and concern. IMHO My feelings mirror yours mszue. Why wouldn't we be concerned about the relationship and why wouldn't we discuss it (and I stress) AMONG OURSELVES? I and others have been aware that something seemed off for a week and yet we refrained from bringing it up here. Thus the elephant in the room. We should be able to talk about this openly because it affects the guy we love. Unfortunately it could also affect the fandom if they should in fact break up. The blame game will start. I hope it doesn't come to that. For those of you not on twitter let me assure you that very few Adam fans were tweeting him about this. None of the fans that I follow did. The few that did were known crays or OTT fans of Tommy or Sauli. My concern is not the relationship but Adam's happiness and his career. He looks darn happy in the recent pictures so it seems he's ok with his life right now. Therefore so am I. |
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Post by mszue on Feb 13, 2013 20:14:20 GMT -5
Totally agree JazzRocks. I think it is also interesting that nobody in the blog media has brought this up either, that I have seen. considering the paps willingness and tenacity to jump on anything salacious at all...it is great to see them giving this a bye.. Part of that may also be that we haven't been spreading it about, as a fandom. But the paps and bloggers are not dim so they are staying away from it on purpose I suspect. Shows the good will our boy has built up around him... totally speculating here and I could be way off on this part...no idea...but nice to think even that part of the media-sphere has a conscience and not just too busy with riri and CB  |
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Post by stella on Feb 13, 2013 21:24:29 GMT -5
I don't have many posts to this name, but I have been around Atop for years and had to recreate accounts for various reasons. It is always disconcerting when members are chastised for discussions. I know this comes up every now and then. Obviously the mods have the say, it is their forum, right? I just resent certain peeps that come across so high and mighty calling out how ridiculous we all are in our "angst" and worry. Especially those that don't regularly post or quit the forum and show up just to put us in our place. Dark side shit here. exxxxxcuuuuuse me. leenaseyez, I love your post and it took balls to say it here. It is your perspective and has value in a discussion, if permitted. But how is it of value if we don't know anything? It sounds like prematurely blaming one party to me. I just think speculating about either party's blame sucks. Again because we don't know anything. |
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Post by scotia on Feb 13, 2013 21:43:40 GMT -5
I agree, Stella. We know nothing and I prefer not to think of a possible split being the blame of either of them. Often relationships just fade for different reasons other than a 3rd party. I'm still clinging to hope that things will work out eventually. I know one thing for sure...I will never get 'emotionally involved' again with any possible new relationship. Sauli is different and his personality, charm and general outlook on life (again, only what I perceived it to be from what he has shared in blogs, Tutkas etc) drew me in. I knew I was too invested in their happiness together and to think it may be over is too much for me to ever go through again. Too 'painful'...and that sounds totally crazy to be so concerned about two grown men I will never meet. I hesitate to even post this as I am sounding way over the top here....thank goodness I'm not on twitter, so am not reading all the possible discussion there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 21:46:47 GMT -5
All I ask for is that we are allowed to discuss this topic of Adam and Sauli. Much of what we talk about on this thread IS
speculation..that's the truth of it. I have not seen one post trash Adam or Sauli...just that there is concern about the
very strange change in behavior for these two men. Not to be seen together is totally unusual. Not speaking in any 'we'
terms even for Valentine's is unusual for Adam. Nobody is bringing over crap tweets. Adam and Sauli are still in LA, yet they are only seen solo. Why this concern is not valid to air is beyond me. I wish them both well. However it goes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 21:49:49 GMT -5
I agree, Stella. We know nothing and I prefer not to think of a possible split being the blame of either of them. Often relationships just fade for different reasons other than a 3rd party. I'm still clinging to hope that things will work out eventually. I know one thing for sure...I will never get 'emotionally involved' again with any possible new relationship. Sauli is different and his personality, charm and general outlook on life (again, only what I perceived it to be from what he has shared in blogs, Tutkas etc) drew me in. I knew I was too invested in their happiness together and to think it may be over is too much for me to ever go through again. Too 'painful'...and that sounds totally crazy to be so concerned about two grown men I will never meet. I hesitate to even post this as I am sounding way over the top here....thank goodness I'm not on twitter, so am not reading all the possible discussion there. You are not OT, in my opinion, Scotia. I am reassessing my investiture in this whole area of being a fan. |
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Post by haribert on Feb 13, 2013 22:04:49 GMT -5
I don't think anyone who posted about the elephant was trying to stir up trouble or be inappropriately meddlesome in Adam's private life. Most fans don't know Adam personally and respect his right to privacy. But he has become such a ray of light, even a hero, to some of us over the past four years that we want only good things for him, and we can't help but be concerned even if something only appears to possibly be threatening his wellbeing. And what's wrong with that?
What does bother me is that the mods are always preaching "don't tell other fans how to think or behave, and don't judge." And yet if someone voices an opinion they disagree with, even if it's expressed respectfully, they get a lecture. Not cool.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 22:12:26 GMT -5
I don't think anyone who posted about the elephant was trying to stir up trouble or be inappropriately meddlesome in Adam's private life. Most fans don't know Adam personally and respect his right to privacy. But he has become such a ray of light, even a hero, to some of us over the past four years that we want only good things for him, and we can't help but be concerned even if something only appears to possibly be threatening his wellbeing. And what's wrong with that? What does bother me is that the mods are always preaching "don't tell other fans how to think or behave, and don't judge." And yet if someone voices an opinion they disagree with, even if it's expressed respectfully, they get a lecture. Not cool. The types of convos I like to see mods shut down are when members are aggressively attacking one another. This was not the case today. This topic WILL come up again..just wait. I think it would have been best to have gotten it aired out today. |
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